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Shoulder Rests
« on: May 28, 2003, 10:16:58 AM »
Hi, I've been looking to get a new shoulder rest but i haven't been able to try that many. I used to have a Wolf Forte Secundo but it's a bit knackered; the screw-part of the feet is quite wobbly and there is a nasty piece of metal (part of the width adjustment for the right foot) which is a bit hazardous.

I'm most interested in the Kun Bravo, Vive la Musica and the Bon Musica shoulder rests. I know the Kun shape is comfy, but i haven't tried the other two, and i'm especially interested in the Bon Musica rest, with the over-the-shoulder idea... has anyone tried this? Any other shoulder rests recommended?

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-Adrian

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Re:Shoulder Rests
« Reply #1 on: May 28, 2003, 11:41:04 AM »
My personal preference is for a Wolf (I think it's the Primo, the 'straight' one) although, after many years of abuse, mine is pretty knackered too.

At the moment I'm using a Kun (the 'folding' model) which I quite like for more 'relaxed' playing!

Personally I found the Bon Musica a bit odd (as I've been playing for a *rather* long time  8) and am so used to an 'ordinary' shoulder rest). However, I think the 'over the shoulder' concept is EXCELLENT for beginners and I know a great violin/fiddle teacher who uses one herslelf and finds they promoite good posture amongst her pupils who use them.

Best advice is to try them all...

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Re:Shoulder Rests
« Reply #2 on: May 28, 2003, 02:27:18 PM »
I swear by Bon Musica. I know it's not to everyone's tastes but they are well worth trying. What I really want though, is one of those Mark Wood chest support thingys! I did hear he was developing one for a normal violin.

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Re:Shoulder Rests
« Reply #3 on: May 28, 2003, 02:41:02 PM »
I use the Bon Musica too, but that is the recomended Shoulder Rest for the Bridge. I expanded its usage to other instruments after trying it out with the Bridge. I like the Mark Woods system it makes a lot of sense any idea when they might be intending to make it publically available.
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Re:Shoulder Rests
« Reply #4 on: May 28, 2003, 03:33:33 PM »
I like the KUN. Its great. BTW, I had to replace the chin rest on my fiddle. It was so small and had a high edge on it. Much better now!  ;)

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Re:Shoulder Rests
« Reply #5 on: May 28, 2003, 05:55:33 PM »
Bonmusica nearly infinitely adjustable system bend it adjust the height etc...
You might want to think of the Mark Wood System as a strap lock for Violins

« Last Edit: May 28, 2003, 06:18:00 PM by Alan Kroeger »
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Re:Shoulder Rests
« Reply #6 on: May 28, 2003, 08:26:54 PM »
Bonmusica nearly infinitely adjustable system bend it adjust the height etc...
You might want to think of the Mark Wood System as a strap lock for Violins


Cool pic, but wait! Where's the chinrest?  ;D ;D ;D

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Re:Shoulder Rests
« Reply #7 on: May 28, 2003, 08:39:37 PM »
I don't know, but I thought the tread topic was 'Shoulder Rests' so, I posted an example of the Bonmusica Shoulder Rest for the benefit who may not have seen one and might not be inclined towards bothering to find out about it, sort of like one stop shopping you don't need to go all over the place to get to multiple items  :)
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Re:Shoulder Rests
« Reply #8 on: May 28, 2003, 09:58:35 PM »
Coming by to check out my violin system this month, swing fiddler Paul Anastasio from Seattle showed me the bon musica , and his chinrest thermo moulded to suit his chin.  Ask him how he did it , his website I think is www.swingcatenterprises.com - try google too.
Boy would that have saved me some neck pains in the past....
ideally you should not suffer pain when pursuing music excellence...
Ideally you should be able to go around a full day with your violin tucked comfortably under your chin, playing or not, never thinking about dropping it, no problem. Only then can you relax your left hand to make only music, and live to a ripe old age without occupational discomfort.
Those who say you have to suffer to serve your art , forget. The right thing is, you do have to work hard, but thatīs another story.
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Re:Shoulder Rests
« Reply #9 on: May 29, 2003, 02:41:27 AM »
I personally found the Bon musica very uncomfortable, sticking into every part of my body, at every angle.... Ok, I exagerate, but it was painful.
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Re:Shoulder Rests
« Reply #10 on: May 29, 2003, 02:48:57 AM »
I guess I don't need the padding as much as need the support. I found the original chinrest on the Bridge uncomfortable and too centered and small so, I changed it for a large cup that over towards the left side. Everyone needs something different. For acoustic I use a really cheap Resonans it works and seems really confortable and only eight bucks, go figure  ;D
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Re:Shoulder Rests
« Reply #11 on: May 29, 2003, 10:07:49 AM »
Thanx for your input guys, and that is a fantastic picture of the Bon Musica! Looks very um... big... doesn't it. The only thing i'm slightly worried about is the ultimate adjustability; does it become unstable after a while like the wolf should rests (soundboot/alan kroeger/anyone else who has used one for a while!)?

What is the Mark Woods system? I've never heard of it!

-Adrian

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Re:Shoulder Rests
« Reply #12 on: May 29, 2003, 01:53:38 PM »
I don't know, but I thought the tread topic was 'Shoulder Rests' so, I posted an example of the Bonmusica Shoulder Rest for the benefit who may not have seen one and might not be inclined towards bothering to find out about it, sort of like one stop shopping you don't need to go all over the place to get to multiple items  :)
Ok, sorry, I thought this was your fiddle!  ::) ;D

Thats a massive looking rest! I wonder how it feels.

Jack

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Re:Shoulder Rests
« Reply #13 on: May 29, 2003, 02:03:56 PM »
Well you heard the madfiddler on the topic he thought they were too hard. I don't seem to need a soft rest, but they are very stable more then others I have used. There main application is for use with instruments that don't have a good surface to clamp too like Electrics with small lower bouts like the Aquila Bridge or the Design & Harmonie I have which doesn't have a ridge on the back to safely attach too. As I said on my standard acoustic violin I don't need to bother with the fancy shoulder rest as almost any shoulder rest will function.
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Re:Shoulder Rests
« Reply #14 on: May 29, 2003, 04:42:57 PM »
What is the Mark Woods system? I've never heard of it!

-Adrian
Actually The Mark Woods System isn't avaialble at this time there are no photos. It is based around the Viper Violin which is produced by Wood Violins Take a look at the Viper and understand that they use a shoulder harness to hold up the viper. It seems like it might be a good system for a Rock N Roll Violinist if and when it gets produced for instruments other then the Mark Wood Violins.
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Re:Shoulder Rests
« Reply #15 on: May 30, 2003, 01:56:53 AM »
I'd love to try out a Wood harness on my instruments. It's such a good concept. I bet it's patented too...
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Re:Shoulder Rests
« Reply #16 on: Jun 01, 2003, 07:54:56 PM »
Personally, I use the MachOne, a hand-carved maple one for both my violin and my viola.  Love it.



The ergonomic shape of these rests almost eliminates the need for padding although a soft self-sticking pad is supplied with every rest. The rests are slim and light. They can be adjusted to be very near the back of the instrument. The "Mach One" rest does not collapse. The attaching feet are moulded out of a single piece of nylon. The "S" shape fits comfortably on the shoulder and minimizes the size of the feet. The wooden rests are made by hand.

We have these available at our very low price:http://store.yahoo.com/sweetviolinshop/maershre.html
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Re:Shoulder Rests
« Reply #17 on: Jun 09, 2003, 05:10:28 PM »
I like the Kun model myself.  The one in the picture looks kinda awkward to me.  I use the folding model, the straight leg ones don't fit in the case unless you unscrew the legs every time. :spin:  I've had mine for years and it holds up great.  They even make a longer leg for longer necked players.  Have fun trying them all!

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Re:Shoulder Rests
« Reply #18 on: Jun 15, 2003, 08:08:31 PM »
I tried lots of them before I bought one and as of now (this is my first shoulder rest) I'm using a Vivo which i understand is rather new on the market it seems to be infinatly adjustable ad so far after one 2 hr practice I like it.  It is lightwieght and firm but not hard most of the others Kun Wolf and so on  dug into my chest in a rather uncomfortable way or were just to tall fvor me.  Let you know how I feel in a week.

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Re:Shoulder Rests
« Reply #19 on: Jun 16, 2003, 03:52:50 AM »
I have the Bon Musica and love it.  It's very solid and stays put and you can depend on your fiddle staying and being where you want it.  I was using a Wolf before, and it would sort of collapse or move and I was always uncomfortable, because I was unsure about where my fiddle was going to be.

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Re:Shoulder Rests
« Reply #20 on: Jun 29, 2003, 07:35:47 PM »
Just read through this again realized I never mentioned how that Vivo rest turned out for me.  Well we have had some time to get aquianted and it is great.  It is very comfortable and never moves no matter how much I do when I play (I have a hard time being still when I play standing or sitting)  Everything on it still looks new no rubber pieces moving arouond or anything so far so good. :)

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Re:Shoulder Rests
« Reply #21 on: Jul 04, 2003, 11:29:23 PM »
Hi, I'm a new fiddler, new to this Forum. I've read these shoulder rest posts with interest because I'm having great discomfort holding my fiddle in place with my chin. I'm sure you get used to it, but my middle-aged body is making adjustment difficult, and I can't afford to keep seeing my chiropractor so often.

A few years ago I saw a fiddler with a shoulder rig that did not require any pressure from the chin, but I have not been able to locate anything like it. Any leads or other suggestions? (I've played guitar for years and am getting a kick out of using a bow, but I need to be more comfortable in order to continue playing).

Thanks.

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Re:Shoulder Rests
« Reply #22 on: Jul 05, 2003, 12:24:20 AM »

A few years ago I saw a fiddler with a shoulder rig that did not require any pressure from the chin, but I have not been able to locate anything like it. Any leads or other suggestions? (I've played guitar for years and am getting a kick out of using a bow, but I need to be more comfortable in order to continue playing).

Thanks.

The shoulder rest and chinrest go together - they work (or not) in harmony. All (I think) the shoulder rests mentioned thus far are professional rests - but people have different physiques. I would love to use the viva pro gold-plated model which uses a wonderful piece of European walnut, but... I find a Wolf Forte Secondo suits me best.

I've just recently changed my chinrest from a standard asymetrical model (a 'Strad' pattern) for a symetrical one (a Flesch old-style in rosewood -  its the same on both sides of the tailpiece) and these two provide a really stable basis for playing.

Why I mention a chinrest is that you mention 'chin pressure'. There shouln't be any - rather the weight of your head should keep the violin in place. I'd go into a specialist violin shop and try every shoulder rest and the main chinrests until you feel comfortable.

Failing that I have come across a kind of 'truss' system thats marketed to kids - it sort of wraps around the body. Its in one of my catalogues - I've never ordered one (despite the rep saying these were wonderful, or maybe because of!) - but I can look it up and see what make it is if you wish?

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Re:Shoulder Rests
« Reply #23 on: Jul 15, 2003, 03:11:26 PM »
WOW!  All that information about shoulder rests.  I thought you just used one or you didn't.  The only one I've ever seen "live" is a Kun.  I'm still planning to get one in spite of the "which one" problem.

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Re:Shoulder Rests
« Reply #24 on: Jul 15, 2003, 03:49:31 PM »
This is fantastic! Of all the violin boards I have seen, this is the first time that requests for advice on shoulder rests has not turned into a heated debate on why you should never use them. No shoulder rest nazis here!

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Re:Shoulder Rests
« Reply #25 on: Jul 15, 2003, 08:21:42 PM »
This is fantastic! Of all the violin boards I have seen, this is the first time that requests for advice on shoulder rests has not turned into a heated debate on why you should never use them. No shoulder rest nazis here!
Did you mean "no shoulder rest Natzis here" or "no no shoulder rest Natzis here"? there's both kinds. ;)

Actually, I've not seen a heated discussion on them. I read a thread on rec.music.makers.bowed-strings where some people prefer to go without the chin rest or the shoulder rest. It wasn't a nazi type thread, but it was interesting. ;)

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« Reply #26 on: Jul 17, 2003, 10:33:14 PM »
I mean no no shoulder rest nazis, ie. anti-shoulder rest nazis. I've seen the fights oh yes! Especially on a forum beginning with M!
The violin world has more dogma than Crufts! (or something like that!)

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Re:Shoulder Rests
« Reply #27 on: Jul 19, 2003, 05:02:08 PM »
When standing up to play (which I only do when practicing!), I don't use a rest, just a silk cloth under the violin; when sitting down, I use a Resonans. I used to use a Wolf Forte Secondo, but it kept falling off (years ago, it happened in the middle of my GCSE recital...not good!). I bought the Resonans because it was cheap, looked good and was light - the Wolf was pretty heavy in comparison. The only thing I liked better about the Wolf was that it had adjustable height (Resonans is only available in 3 fixed heights). I'm glad to have found a rest that doesn't fall off though!

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Re:Shoulder Rests
« Reply #28 on: Aug 14, 2003, 04:16:43 AM »
Interestingly enough, I just saw Mark Woods at a Mark O'Connor workshop in CA. last week! He doesn't have a shoulder rest for violins. The viper is the coolest electric violin out on the market. The instrument straps on the upper part of the body. The chin never touches the instrument. It's great if that's the direction someone wants to that way. I do use the Mach one(wooden) which is super. The plastic version is cheaper but doesn't work as well. And I also use the Kun Bravo. I also like it a lot. The wolf secondo I don't like because it use to press into a nerve on my shoulder and I would loose circulation! Wierd. But then everyone is built differently and you need to try it out before buying one. I hope this helps!

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Re:Shoulder Rests
« Reply #29 on: Aug 14, 2003, 08:53:53 AM »
I Use a Kun Shoulder Rest, Still got the original one I bought years ago. I think it must be approaching 10 years old now. The padding on it is starting to look a bit manky but it only tends to fall off (my acoustic) when knocked hard. Not yet happened whilst playing. I have a rectangular case so my rest fits in. Used to have to carry it separate before getting new case.

Will be buying Kun again because of fit, have tried a few and suppose I am just used to Kun. I used to have a horrid sponge thing when young which was all over the place.

Does anyone know when chin and or shoulder rests started to be introduced?
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