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Synthetics and tuning (constant problem)
« on: Dec 02, 2019, 05:19:34 PM »
I've looked at past posts about Synthetic strings and tuning
I've tried some cheaper synthetics (Pro-Arte, Alphayue, Corelli Crystal) to get a warmer sound as I always gig thru an amp.  I spend all my time TUNING instead of PLAYING while trying these at home.  it is constant and doesn't get better with time - every time I pick up the fiddle, it is Out of Tune and goes out of tune while playing.
Can't imagine trying to gig on these type strings
Haven't tried Dominants, Tonica, and other expensive synthetics but I see - in other posts - they keep stretching too
If someone could, let me know of any synthetic that will hold tune
Just my experience, but I'm not going to fight this - if I need to I'll just stick with Piranitos (a very good steel string and good price) or try Protos, Preludes, Prim etc
Thanks for any suggestions

 

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Re: Synthetics and tuning (constant problem)
« Reply #1 on: Dec 05, 2019, 07:53:06 PM »
I used Tonica strings on my acoustic, and I don't find them to go out of tune too much. After you tune them, they hold their tune for a few hours or longer. But the thing is, there is a break-in period, maybe as long as 2 weeks, depending on how often you play.

If the temperature/humidity is fairly constant, they can hold their tune for days or weeks, requiring only minor adjustments.

In comparison, I use Vision strings on my solid body electric. These are also synthetic strings. BUT they stay in tune for weeks! Both violins experience the same temperature/humidity swings, but the wood of the acoustic violin moves more in response, whereas the plastic-body electric doesn't.

Of course, solid metal strings will always hold their tune longer, given the same environmental conditions. But I much prefer the sound and feel of synthetic strings.

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Re: Synthetics and tuning (constant problem)
« Reply #2 on: Jan 18, 2020, 02:04:18 PM »
I also use tonicas and find they stay in tune very well, from day to day with very little tuning. 
1. could be your tuners are slipping slightly?
2/. you play very heavy ?
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Re: Synthetics and tuning (constant problem)
« Reply #3 on: Jan 30, 2020, 01:53:42 AM »
No, pegs not slipping and I don't play real heavy (mainly because I'm always using
an amp on gigs)  I think I am just used to steel strings.  Back years ago, and before the internet, they were all you could find at just about any music store.  Even with steel, you need to check tuning (temperature etc) after breaks and whatever reasons.  But, as mentioned in this thread, steel certainly will not keep stretching like a Synthetic I don't think

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Re: Synthetics and tuning (constant problem)
« Reply #4 on: Jan 31, 2020, 01:55:34 PM »
I suspect the issue you're having is either:
  • You are still in the break-in period. It's annoying and you just have to tune constantly.
  • The temperature/humidity is changing. Swings in the weather, bringing your instrument from one building to another, etc.

Once your synthetic strings have settled, you should only have to tune them once and they'll stay in tune for hours.

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Re: Synthetics and tuning (constant problem)
« Reply #5 on: Feb 01, 2020, 12:33:54 AM »
I can't say I have this problem with synthetic strings. I usually use either dominants or obligatos, which are my current set. Living in a cold area with heat fluctuations from day to night I'd expect some de-tuning but actually I can leave the violin out for a few days and when I come back to it it's still in tune.

I'd say that either a) your strings are new enough to still be settling, b) your pegs are slipping, or c) the cheaper strings are just not as stable.

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Re: Synthetics and tuning (constant problem)
« Reply #6 on: Aug 02, 2020, 08:11:51 PM »
i've revisited my criticism of Synthetic strings
The Alphayue and Correlli Crystal are both working quite well - I think just needed more
time to settle in.   They do feel better under the fingers than metal and very good tone.
Thanks for all the responses

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Re: Synthetics and tuning (constant problem)
« Reply #7 on: Aug 25, 2020, 10:51:26 PM »
Evah Pirazzis are solid as a rock.  Lots of concert violinists use them.    I did have a bit of a problem with Dominants once , but i think it was more that they bent a bit if played really aggressively. They didn't drift out of tune like slipping a peg but literally bent the note as it was played.
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Re: Synthetics and tuning (constant problem)
« Reply #8 on: Sep 03, 2020, 04:14:40 AM »
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Yes, I know what you mean - the note bent as you played it.  haha  I call this - the note "swimming" - when the note goes kind of squirrelly on me - only happens with Synthetic for me - not steel.
As it turns out - I liked the Alphayue string but I don't think i liked the "E" string.
I put on set of Optima Protos - Sweet !!  I like them - warm, soft sound - I play thru an amp (if I ever gig again)
and they sound good and not harsh at all - they are Steel so tuning is not a problem.   Great price
Can get them at Southwest Strings in Tucson Az or Vancouver

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Re: Synthetics and tuning (constant problem)
« Reply #9 on: Sep 05, 2020, 04:22:43 PM »
Glad you've found a solution that worked!  I tried so many strings over the years but settled with Evahs on both fiddles in the end. Great strings -I've seen them on Strads - only downside is they're a bit pricey.     Mind you I've seen Dominants on a Strad too!  The only steel strings I ever used were Helicores.
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Re: Synthetics and tuning (constant problem)
« Reply #10 on: Sep 05, 2020, 08:30:49 PM »
I've played steel strings for over 40 years - never found a synthetic that suited my "style" of playing, until I stumbled across a set of Larson I'l Connone - the fiddle I put them on to me was already the best it could be with Spirocore + Kaplan E, The Larsons were a significant improvement.

I have swapped back and forth a number of times to my 20 year trusted Spirocores but the Larsons win every time - great response which is what i always found lacking in all the other top brand synthetics.

I still believe that you need to match strings to a violin not yourself, but these go against every other synthetic I have ever tried...on loads of violins.

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Re: Synthetics and tuning (constant problem)
« Reply #11 on: Sep 05, 2020, 11:49:20 PM »
I switched to Evah's about 8 years ago and never looked back. They last me forever, Hold tuning very well, and play even better. Only thing is they need a pretty long break-in time, but they're worth it.

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Re: Synthetics and tuning (constant problem)
« Reply #12 on: Sep 12, 2020, 08:57:23 PM »
Thanks guys for all the input and suggestions.  Very helpful

 




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