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Is it Eb or E?
« on: Sep 21, 2014, 06:32:39 PM »
Not sure if this is the best place to create thread but I have a question regarding a music piece. 

In the orchestra we're playing the Oboe Concerto in D Minor by Alessandro Marcello, so in the second part of the third movement, on bar 84 there's an Eb and then on bar 85 there's an E in between parenthesis... my question is... is the E on bar 85 flat or natural? 



And to add to my confusion, the phrase starts on bar 83 and ends in bar 86 and is exactly the same as the phrase on the first part on bars 29 to 32, but in a different tonality I believe. And because of this is that I believe the E on bar 85 should be natural.



And some might say play what sounds good, but the thing is both sound good, different feelings but both sound alright... so what's your opinion?

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Re: Is it Eb or E?
« Reply #1 on: Sep 21, 2014, 09:10:13 PM »
In Classical music, an accidental lasts only the length of the measure. Even though all the other E's around it are flatted, that one (unless there's a misprint) should be an E Natural, just like in meas. 76.
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Re: Is it Eb or E?
« Reply #2 on: Sep 21, 2014, 10:16:10 PM »
In Classical music, an accidental lasts only the length of the measure. Even though all the other E's around it are flatted, that one (unless there's a misprint) should be an E Natural, just like in meas. 76.
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That's what I think as well, but why the parenthesis? Is it to remind the player that the E must be played natural?

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Re: Is it Eb or E?
« Reply #3 on: Sep 22, 2014, 12:27:01 AM »
Joe's correct.  I'm not sure about the parentheses.....maybe something specific to oboe technique?  Have you tried comparing your version to other versions?  Maybe start here:  IMSLP

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Re: Is it Eb or E?
« Reply #4 on: Sep 22, 2014, 12:01:59 PM »
I've never seen that either.
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Re: Is it Eb or E?
« Reply #5 on: Sep 22, 2014, 12:24:31 PM »
It  took a long time for my brain to remember that indication- one of the problems of growing old. It's called a "ghost note." It's played completely de-emphasized. On string instruments, that can be done by muting the string.
Think of it as more rhythmic than melodic, but you do indeed make a note. Just make sure it's almost not heard.
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Re: Is it Eb or E?
« Reply #6 on: Sep 23, 2014, 05:40:10 AM »
Joe's correct.  I'm not sure about the parentheses.....maybe something specific to oboe technique?  Have you tried comparing your version to other versions?  Maybe start here:  IMSLP
Actually I took that sheet from that website, and it's not really related to oboe technique 'cuz that's the violin I part

 




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