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Angel Cases
« on: Mar 16, 2004, 12:29:02 PM »
I just received a trial bunch of cases from Angel.  They seem really nice.  Anyone here have an idea on longevity or problems?  I've very impressed with the quality of the upper end one (about $150).  Very beautiful with gold piping inside, a hygrometer, etc.

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Re:Angel Cases
« Reply #1 on: Mar 16, 2004, 01:16:24 PM »
If you want to test cases, equip some middle-school (Jr. Hi) orchestra students with them.

Between getting kicked around on the bus, shoved into too-small cubbies, car trunks, stacked 6 deep in the charter-bus luggage storage; oh, and having a 2-inch, 1 pound music binder jammed repeatedly in the music pocket, life expectancy is about a year, tops.  (The inexpensive case I got from International Violin is useful for home storage now - though if I'd been using it, vs. my 11-year old, I'm sure it would still be fine.)  I know why fiberglass cases are popular - too bad they can't combine that durability with the features of a nice oblong case.

Music pocket zippers go first, latches next.  Possible improvements - I think a sewn-in blanket might actually make sense (like some trumpet cases - though, admittedly, they don't have bows & strings in the lid).  I'm not real sure about the utility of latches at all - the BAM cases just have the zipper closure, and that seems to work ok.

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Re:Angel Cases
« Reply #2 on: Mar 16, 2004, 11:05:38 PM »
Are they oblong or the shape of the fiddle?

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Re:Angel Cases
« Reply #3 on: Mar 17, 2004, 01:00:07 AM »
The Angel are oblong.  I still have the nice one.  I happen to have the Musafia it copies here as well.  The Musafia has very slightly higher quality lining material and slightly more padding.  The bow spinners and latches seem the same quality.  Looking at the two cases I would think that they came from the same shop.  I'm going to get more.

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Re:Angel Cases
« Reply #4 on: Mar 17, 2004, 02:21:33 AM »
I like Spelare's idea... you could send me a trial version to test it out, and then I could keep it haha.

Worth a try at least...

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Re:Angel Cases
« Reply #5 on: Mar 17, 2004, 01:14:11 PM »
Well, I think we will handle them.  I like them very much.

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Re:Angel Cases
« Reply #6 on: Mar 17, 2004, 10:07:42 PM »
Steve, Send me one to test out. I'll test it along with one of your Appalachian Mods. And I'll do all this at no charge to you ;)
« Last Edit: Mar 17, 2004, 10:08:11 PM by Mark Cordova »

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Re:Angel Cases
« Reply #7 on: Mar 23, 2004, 04:26:03 AM »
Are they lightweight? Do they have shoulder straps or backpack straps or do they convert either way?

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Re:Angel Cases
« Reply #8 on: Mar 23, 2004, 11:36:41 AM »
The upper end super fancy Musafia clone is about 8 1/2 lbs, pretty hefty.  Two straps for backpack type use.  Very strong.  Our nomal Decor Lux is a bit over 6 lbs.  Our cheapie foam suspension oblong is 5 lbs.  

Looking at some Korean cases in images.  Nice.  May get some of those.  I keep ordering cases and they go away.  Pretty cool.

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Re:Angel Cases
« Reply #9 on: Apr 06, 2004, 09:14:39 AM »
Is it the hll model musafia case that it's a copy of? Because those are actually made in china "under close supervision of musafia."  They may very well be from the same shop, just minus the musafia name plate

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Re:Angel Cases
« Reply #10 on: Apr 06, 2004, 12:11:03 PM »
Looks more like the 2011 or 3011, not like the Hill.  Fancier than the Hill.  Where is information on which cases are constructed where?

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Re:Angel Cases
« Reply #11 on: Apr 06, 2004, 08:30:59 PM »
Steve,

The Studio series cases are built "overseas".  The rest are built in Cremona.

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Re:Angel Cases
« Reply #12 on: Apr 07, 2004, 11:50:45 AM »
I thought Cremona was overseas.  Or maybe Cremona is closer to California than I realized!!

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Re:Angel Cases
« Reply #13 on: Apr 08, 2004, 09:25:32 PM »
I would be curious about American-made cases, anyone have any leads on this?

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Re:Angel Cases
« Reply #14 on: Apr 08, 2004, 10:08:39 PM »
Sure, talk to Frank at finecases.com

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Re:Angel Cases
« Reply #15 on: Apr 09, 2004, 02:06:31 AM »
American cases:  I have a Weber case which I really like.   (Weber's Case Co., Sumner WA http://www.weberscases.com/)  They tend to be on the expensive side though.  Mine's about 15 years old, given to me as a gift.  -Steve W.
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Re:Angel Cases
« Reply #16 on: Apr 15, 2004, 01:36:10 PM »
I have had a chance to examine more Musafia and Angel cases side by side.  The Musafia seem very disappointing.  Much glue slop, no overlapping valence, etc.  The model identical to the Angel I have is pretty much identical.  Piano hinges instead of cloth, different lock, but I can't see how they couldn't come from the same shop. I don't see $100s worth of difference.  

So I've decided to handle the Angel line, keep the Decor line, and make available any cases through finecases.com for my clients.  Finecases is just across town, so that's a good option for the high end stuff.

I am thinking of picking out some nice cloths if I get to Italy later in the year.  Then I could have someone make me some top end cases!  

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Re:Angel Cases
« Reply #17 on: Apr 15, 2004, 08:55:58 PM »
I find it strange what you say about the Musafia. Perhaps there are differences between the US and UK. My Musafia is beautifully finished with good suspension and a perfect fit for the fiddle.

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Re:Angel Cases
« Reply #18 on: Apr 16, 2004, 06:34:13 AM »
Hmm.

Steve, which Musafia cases did you look at?

I have a Musafia case and it's gorgeous.  Definitely a step up from the Hill-style Bobelock case I have.

If you mean what I think you mean about overlapping valence, neither the Bobelock or Musafia cases that I have on hand have them although I believe that's going into or has gone into the most recent models of high-end Musafia cases (Aeternum and Enigmas, at least -- don't know about the Master.).

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Re:Angel Cases
« Reply #19 on: Apr 16, 2004, 10:39:57 AM »
I noticed on my hll model musafia case that the build quality was significantly less than any other musafia, and it came with a little card that indicated it was built in china with some italian parts and finished in the US; the card also had other spaces that could have indicated (by a different box being checked) the case being built partially in china with italian parts and finished in cremona, so it seems as though some of their other models may be partially assembled in china... It seems entirely possible that these cases are comparable in quality of parts if not necessarily in labor... I always thought musafia cases were a tad overpriced; the most expensive ones only comprise about $80 worth of parts, it's mostly the craft of building that you're paying for. Comparable to musafia's lower end models, the angel looks like a great deal. Does it have a string tube or humidifier?

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Re:Angel Cases
« Reply #20 on: Apr 16, 2004, 04:38:33 PM »
I only have a cheapy that didn't have straps on it at all until i found a large bra and cut some for it. Now my back don't hurt when I carry it to work. Haha.
Really though, It has been yrs since i've bought any cases, so I am in bad need of a new one. I don't think steve that i like the oblong cases, but if it were more protective then i suppose that is the way to go. I don't look for anything to happen but just in case? What do you think?
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Re:Angel Cases
« Reply #21 on: Apr 18, 2004, 12:47:59 AM »
I ordered Dale a case.  

The Angel has hygrometer, no string tube.

Musafia:  Superleggero?  I am pretty sure we looked at a 3011.  There were many flaws.  Many.  Glue oozing out around the chord interior trim, glue globs on the lining, poor fit of the material coving the shell,  glue on velor pulling away on one model.  I didn't see the really high-end stuff.  I don't need to at this point.   For the price, the cases were completely unacceptable.  I will certainly not get any after what I observed.  I was really quite shocked.  

 

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Re:Angel Cases
« Reply #22 on: Jun 19, 2004, 06:03:06 PM »
I've been following this thread (and some others) for a bit now to get some perspective on the Musafia cases.  It's interesting to hear the contrast, since I'm in the market for a good case right now.

My local shop (Montgomery Violins in Raleigh, NC) carries the Musafia and Bobelock, and they also have a Weber (among others).  The first thing that struck me about the Musafia was the large brass latch on the front.  Most of the others use the pressed metal style latches that may work fine, but they sure do look flimsy.  I like the idea of that big brass buckle, and I believe it's available on all of their cases.

In fairness - the only Musafias they have in stock right now are the Master Series, for $800.  What I'm really after (if I end up with Musafia) is the Luxury Series (~$500), but I'm sure the Master will be at least somewhat representative of the Musafia line.

I realy like the piano hinges on the compartment doors in the Musafia.  The Bobelock had this strange elasticized system that would "snap" the compartment doors shut, and I'm not quite sure whether I liked that or not.  Regardless, it goes without saying that the piano hinges will last the longest.

The Musafia's tube style humidifier looked cheap - especially the cast plastic end caps.  A small detail, for sure, but we're talking about an $800 case.

I didn't see any evidence of shoddy workmanship in either, and with possible exception to the front latch on the Bobelock, I'm sure either would work fine.

This is, of course, a comparison of the two Musafia's they had in stock to maybe four or five Bobelocks.  As with any handmade item, I'm sure quality is all over the place.  I've seen Ferraris with paint jobs that would shame a Ford Escort, and that probably has more to do with the mood of the guy on the day he painted that particular car.

In the end, I suspect I'll end up with a Musafia - unless they order one in and it turns out to be really, really naff.  I don't mind paying the few extra dollars for the handmade item, and I can't imagine that I'll regret the decision in the end.

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Re:Angel Cases
« Reply #23 on: Jun 19, 2004, 07:19:54 PM »
Musafia in emails to me claims to have changed to making everything in Italy as they originally did.  So there may well be shifts in other qualities as well.  The problems I saw were in the gluing of the rope and in one model of the lining, which was coming loose.  

The Webers seem quite good.

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Re:Angel Cases
« Reply #24 on: Jun 20, 2004, 02:11:02 PM »
The Webers seem quite good.

I looked at the Weber.  It was priced in the $550 range, which is right in my "budget".

The Weber seemed to be very well constructed, but I found the interior trim a bit below par.  The lining definitely didn't feel as "nice" as either the Musafia or the Bobelock, and it had less "cubby" space inside.  The spinners also felt noticably cheaper.

if only I could find a clarinet case even remotely as nice as these violin cases.

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