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Re: Chin-Free shoulder rest?
« Reply #50 on: May 28, 2010, 08:46:24 PM »
ProfessorV does a neat trick with a belt half way through this video at around the 2 minute mark.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9WUdDoj2Hg&playnext_from=TL&videos=93lyCvQThJ8&feature=grec_index#

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Re: Chin-Free shoulder rest?
« Reply #51 on: May 28, 2010, 08:52:03 PM »
To reply to the original post, try holding the fiddle in your left hand.

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Re: Chin-Free shoulder rest?
« Reply #52 on: May 31, 2010, 02:13:28 PM »
@martyn: Yea, but the problem that my shoulder muscles of the bow arm get kind of hemmed in remains.

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Re: Chin-Free shoulder rest?
« Reply #53 on: Jun 03, 2010, 03:39:49 AM »
What prof.V does in the video is exactly what i do with the Happinex.

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Re: Chin-Free shoulder rest?
« Reply #54 on: Jun 03, 2010, 09:36:38 AM »
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Let's copy the Welshmen: check out this crwth player:

Not to be too picky and divert the thread but isn't a woman Madmat?  :o

Back on topic, I find myself in agreement with gc, zaivanbuijs, woodwiz. It's the use of the shoulder rest as a fulcrum that is the basis of chin and neck problems. If you can discipline yourself to use it just as a friction aid and for occasional additional security then it's ok, but many people fall into the habit of permanently clamping down with the chin and then sometimes even hanging the weight of the left arm off the scroll of the violin which greatly exacerbates the problems. If you use your left hand to support the scroll end then there is no need for clamping with the chin apart from for a little security during down shifts perhaps.
This bloke looks pretty relaxed without chin rest or shoulder rest, or straps!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0nW4pEjocM#
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Re: Chin-Free shoulder rest?
« Reply #55 on: Jun 03, 2010, 07:23:58 PM »
Not to be too picky and divert the thread but isn't a woman Madmat?  :o
The Welshpersons? Welshpeople? Well, sh---!

Judging from the secondary sexual characteristics of this specimen, I'd say it's safe to guess that this is a female of the species. But, living in California, it takes an examination to be sure! ;D Thanks for the assist!

We now return you to your regularly scheduled support garment thread.
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Re: Chin-Free shoulder rest?
« Reply #56 on: Jun 03, 2010, 08:07:53 PM »
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But, living in California, it takes an examination to be sure!

Some people have problems in Wales too! There was a classic case in Swansea a few months back where a local drunk tried to snatch a girls handbag. The 'girl' turned out to be a cage fighter in drag! Needless to say the thief got a good going over for his troubles. I wouldn't want to condone violence but it did seem like poetic justice.  See link from 1:20 if interested. Not all nights out in Swansea are like this - just Fridays, Saturdays and Sundays usually!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNGw9mCxCug#ws

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Re: Chin-Free shoulder rest?
« Reply #57 on: Sep 24, 2010, 04:02:41 PM »
I'm using it on an NS WAV and CR5 electric violins... it works well for me. It's nice to be able to play and not worry about holding the violin... and to look straight ahead and left and right while playing.

I just received my EVL violin.  Unfortunately, the local shop doesn't have the NS Balanced Shoulder Rest in stock (special order only). Judging from the picture, the EVL's bout is probably too small.  It probably would facilitate switching between playing keys and violin within the same song or from one song to the next, but I'm sure I could work around that, using a more conventional shoulder rest.  If speed of switching roles become an issue, I could look into a Happy Nex or something like that.

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Re: Chin-Free shoulder rest?
« Reply #58 on: Sep 24, 2010, 05:00:58 PM »
Not all nights out in Swansea are like this - just Fridays, Saturdays and Sundays usually!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNGw9mCxCug#ws

The only time I've ever been punched was during a night out in Swansea...

I swear it wasn't my fault guv'.  ::)

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Re: Chin-Free shoulder rest?
« Reply #59 on: Sep 25, 2010, 08:34:33 AM »
Apologies on behalf of my adopted home town! Was it in Wind street? If so that doesn't count. Wind street is a separate state a bit like the Vatican in Rome, except for the fishnet stockings and basques!
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Re: Chin-Free shoulder rest?
« Reply #60 on: Sep 29, 2010, 05:44:44 PM »
I'm really glad I found this discussion.  Lot's of good ideas to experiment with.  I've been looking for a solution the last few weeks. Madmat's suggestion to me about the NS balanced support for acoustics looks very promising be at around $300USD too pricey for me.

I started tinkering with an old nylon strap from a camera case and slinging it like the Happynex sling and it seems to be working for me pretty well. I can tell you it's really sweet to be able to play again.  It's been frustrating not being able to for the last month and it will probably be a couple more months before I can get rid of this neck collar.

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Re: Chin-Free shoulder rest?
« Reply #61 on: Sep 29, 2010, 07:16:23 PM »
It's been frustrating not being able to for the last month and it will probably be a couple more months before I can get rid of this neck collar.
I wonder if it makes sense to rigidly affix the fiddle to the collar... it could work.

Several have remarked that the NS hanging on its own while I'm strumming a uke or a mando looks like I was born with some extra chromosomes or sump'n.
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Re: Chin-Free shoulder rest?
« Reply #62 on: Sep 29, 2010, 07:59:51 PM »
I wonder if it makes sense to rigidly affix the fiddle to the collar... it could work.
Some kind of rig like the clamp attachment for a standard fiddle to the NS balanced could probably be adapted to a rigid cervical neck collar but it would be complicated and you probably wouldn't want the additional weight on your neck.  No I think the NS would be the ideal solution because it moves all the weight to your back and shoulders and completely removes any stress from the neck. But again - the big NS draw back is it's way overpriced.
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Several have remarked that the NS hanging on its own while I'm strumming a uke or a mando looks like I was born with some extra chromosomes or sump'n.
add a few prosthetic arms and you could be a one man band ;D

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Re: Chin-Free shoulder rest?
« Reply #63 on: Sep 29, 2010, 08:13:05 PM »
add a few prosthetic arms and you could be a one man band ;D
Prosthetic? This was discussed in a banjo thread by a cancer patient...

http://www.fiddleforum.com/fiddleforum/index.php?topic=28549.0

Put the lotus blossoms down and you can play a banjo. ;)
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Re: Chin-Free shoulder rest?
« Reply #64 on: Sep 29, 2010, 08:26:06 PM »
Let's copy the Welshmen: check out this crwth player:


The crwth player is Cass Meurig

http://www.cassmeurig.com/

You really wouldn't want to hear too much of it. Cass is the only person I know who can make it sound at all musical. Usually it's very scratchy with no depth to the sound.

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Re: Chin-Free shoulder rest?
« Reply #65 on: Sep 30, 2010, 09:04:33 AM »
that instrument looks a lot like the Swedish stråkharpe or Danish strygeharpe -

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Re: Chin-Free shoulder rest?
« Reply #66 on: Sep 30, 2010, 11:30:47 AM »
Sean Folsom offers some interesting info on these bowed string instruments.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6brp0PTlb4#


Sean is a music historian from the American mid west. A side note, he owns the most fascinating and diverse collection of bagpipes I've ever seen.

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Re: Chin-Free shoulder rest?
« Reply #67 on: Oct 30, 2011, 05:41:08 PM »
To reply to the original post, try holding the fiddle in your left hand.

gc

@Graham, the problem is when changing positions; if the left hand is responsible for changing positions, it gets stuck when changing positions. Any tips/links on this aspect will be very appreciated.

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Re: Chin-Free shoulder rest?
« Reply #68 on: Nov 01, 2011, 08:24:11 PM »
@Graham, the problem is when changing positions; if the left hand is responsible for changing positions, it gets stuck when changing positions. Any tips/links on this aspect will be very appreciated.

Graham explains everything here:
http://www.fiddleforum.com/fiddleforum/index.php?topic=34446.0

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Re: Chin-Free shoulder rest?
« Reply #69 on: Nov 02, 2011, 02:37:12 AM »
Graham explains everything here:
http://www.fiddleforum.com/fiddleforum/index.php?topic=34446.0

Thank you!!
I think it's better to invest time to practice that rather than investing $350+ on NS should rest which might get addicted to.

 




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