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Re: Chin-Free shoulder rest?
« Reply #25 on: May 22, 2010, 10:55:01 PM »
Now that I see that the Happy Nex requires a shoulder rest, I don't quite get the point of it.

Even a shoulder-rest is required, the point is that you go chin free.
I would compare making your own to making you own guitar strap - sure you can but the right materials are essential.

Good comparison, especially when heard from an experienced user.

Also 20 bux is not that big damage either.


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Re: Chin-Free shoulder rest?
« Reply #26 on: May 24, 2010, 09:10:39 PM »
Even a shoulder-rest is required, the point is that you go chin free.

soundboot just said that some people use the Happy Nex without a shoulder rest.

But I do apologize for forgetting that you started this thread looking for a way to play violin without using your chin to hold it.

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Re: Chin-Free shoulder rest?
« Reply #27 on: May 24, 2010, 09:28:50 PM »
But I do apologize for forgetting that you started this thread looking for a way to play violin without using your chin to hold it.

It's OK. It's always good to hear other people's aspects. Thanks for sharing your ideas.

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Re: Chin-Free shoulder rest?
« Reply #28 on: May 25, 2010, 10:43:07 PM »
Let's copy the Welshmen: check out this crwth player:
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Re: Chin-Free shoulder rest?
« Reply #29 on: May 25, 2010, 10:47:48 PM »
... and the Australian version of the HappyNex, the FiddleEzy:
http://www.merrylandsmusic.com.au/Merrylandsmusic/Fiddle-Ezy.htm

Edit: and there's the VioStrap!
http://viostrap.com/
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Re: Chin-Free shoulder rest?
« Reply #30 on: May 25, 2010, 11:00:27 PM »
I don't get it...commerce ???....3/4" elastic under the tail...bit of velcro for lump free removable join...no chinrest..no shoulder rest...job done  :-X

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Re: Chin-Free shoulder rest?
« Reply #31 on: May 25, 2010, 11:03:34 PM »
I don't get it...commerce ???....3/4" elastic under the tail...bit of velcro for lump free removable join...no chinrest..no shoulder rest...job done  :-X
Do a search on one of the patent sites for "violin support" or "violin holder"... lots of "S'not-so-sure-it's-better" mousetraps out there! ;D
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Re: Chin-Free shoulder rest?
« Reply #32 on: May 25, 2010, 11:57:53 PM »
Do a search on one of the patent sites for "violin support" or "violin holder"... lots of "S'not-so-sure-it's-better" mousetraps out there! ;D

WOW! madmat, well done! im glad i opened this post now!

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Re: Chin-Free shoulder rest?
« Reply #33 on: May 26, 2010, 12:19:43 AM »
I can replace all that with my left hand and my collarbone.

gah!

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Re: Chin-Free shoulder rest?
« Reply #34 on: May 26, 2010, 12:28:20 AM »
I can replace all that with my left hand and my collarbone.

But then you can't move your neck clockwise   :P

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Re: Chin-Free shoulder rest?
« Reply #35 on: May 26, 2010, 11:00:10 AM »
But then you can't move your neck clockwise   :P

don't understand....???

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Re: Chin-Free shoulder rest?
« Reply #36 on: May 26, 2010, 11:04:38 AM »
I meant that with some SRs, you can freely turn your head and your chin is free...

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Re: Chin-Free shoulder rest?
« Reply #37 on: May 26, 2010, 11:52:27 AM »
Oh - I can do that as well... hehehheheeh!

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Re: Chin-Free shoulder rest?
« Reply #38 on: May 26, 2010, 01:46:26 PM »
You mean like this? Tricia doesn't seem to have a problem:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSupolg2VmI#

To me, a chin free shoulder rest makes about as much sense as a shoulder free chin rest. Of course, I'm not exactly partial to shoulder rests, either.  To me. it's kinda like using crutches when there's nothing wrong with your legs......

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Re: Chin-Free shoulder rest?
« Reply #39 on: May 26, 2010, 02:29:47 PM »
I've experimented with various ways to tie various scarfs around my viola and then neck/Shoulders/back....
I've tried the "happynex"-way of doing it and it makes me feel that my shoulder muscles are hindered in a way and i adjust my bowing to that, so it's no good. What i like about the idea of the viostrap is that it is fixed under the far end of the instrument beneath the fingerboard. On the other hand i can't imagine it to feel good to put the full weight of my viola onto my neck! That is suffering already enough without one...

i think the best thing about this discussion is that it inspires me to go off and try to fabricate my own happynex/viostrap combination!

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Re: Chin-Free shoulder rest?
« Reply #40 on: May 26, 2010, 04:51:49 PM »
What GC says, hand and neck/collar bone do the trick perfectly. I can turn my head to the left or to the right while playing (talking or singing wouldn't be a problem except for the mind side of it, when I talk while fiddling I usually mess up the tune), and without all the extra's attached a fiddle doesn't weigh much.  My toying with a strap/sling thing was a sort of cross between the happynex and the violin strap (I used nylon stocking, nice and stretchy and cheap and handy to clean rosin off of the strings with).

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Re: Chin-Free shoulder rest?
« Reply #41 on: May 26, 2010, 06:40:04 PM »
Probably, the best thing to do is learn to play with no hands  ???

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Re: Chin-Free shoulder rest?
« Reply #42 on: May 26, 2010, 07:00:03 PM »
No, that'd not work, one needs the hands, or at least one.

But I think two is a lot handier :)

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Re: Chin-Free shoulder rest?
« Reply #43 on: May 26, 2010, 11:54:24 PM »
The problem on playing chin-rest free is when you have to jump position (like from 1st to 5th+)

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Re: Chin-Free shoulder rest?
« Reply #44 on: May 27, 2010, 12:16:23 AM »
The problem on playing chin-rest free is when you have to jump position (like from 1st to 5th+)
Oh, going UP is no problem. It's shifting DOWN that causes catastrophes. ;D

The Steinberger system and the Wood Viper support system work well in this regard, though.
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Re: Chin-Free shoulder rest?
« Reply #45 on: May 27, 2010, 08:13:01 PM »
Let's copy the Welshmen: check out this crwth player:


I'd love to hear how that sounds

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Re: Chin-Free shoulder rest?
« Reply #46 on: May 27, 2010, 08:27:45 PM »
I'd love to hear how that sounds
This site was linked off the Wikipedia page:
http://www.bragod.com/bragodvideo.html

Pretty cool. Really "strapping", to make a terrible pun. ;D

Edit: Not sure what I want to hear thru a AdrenaLinn more, this thing or a pedal steel...
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Re: Chin-Free shoulder rest?
« Reply #47 on: May 27, 2010, 08:37:02 PM »
Oh, going UP is no problem. It's shifting DOWN that causes catastrophes. ;D

The Steinberger system and the Wood Viper support system work well in this regard, though.

Having tried the Wood Viper, I can vouch for this.  No problems shifting up or down.

I want to get the Steinberger for my upcoming e-violin because I also play keyboards in our band.  Switching back and forth is much faster - I bet even faster than Eddie Jobson can switch back and forth between keys and conventionally supported violin.

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Re: Chin-Free shoulder rest?
« Reply #48 on: May 27, 2010, 09:54:36 PM »
I'd love to see what John Jordan could come up with for a hands-free support system for his axes.

His approach to the blank canvas is simultaneously unconventional and elegant.
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Re: Chin-Free shoulder rest?
« Reply #49 on: May 28, 2010, 03:32:20 PM »
This site was linked off the Wikipedia page:
http://www.bragod.com/bragodvideo.html

Pretty cool. Really "strapping", to make a terrible pun. ;D

Edit: Not sure what I want to hear thru a AdrenaLinn more, this thing or a pedal steel...

Thanks!  I like the sound - quite eerie.

 




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