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Re: Incredibow - Buy at your own risk!!
« Reply #25 on: Apr 07, 2009, 11:48:00 PM »
... or at least, I would, if I could just figure out how to search the member list here ...

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Re: Incredibow - Buy at your own risk!!
« Reply #26 on: Apr 07, 2009, 11:48:37 PM »
... right ... I'm off to look up woodwiz ...
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Re: Incredibow - Buy at your own risk!!
« Reply #27 on: Apr 07, 2009, 11:52:20 PM »
... or at least, I would, if I could just figure out how to search the member list here ...
Just click on his username on any post he's made... like these ones in which he talks about his five-strings:
http://www.fiddleforum.com/fiddleforum/index.php?topic=29835.0

FWIW, I tried one of these beasts, also... it's really more of a violin/viola hyrbid, as it's deeper and has wider lower bouts than a standard violin, though it has a violin's scale length.
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Re: Incredibow - Buy at your own risk!!
« Reply #28 on: Apr 08, 2009, 01:16:05 AM »
They're not up on the K C Strings site yet, but there are pictures here:

http://home.everestkc.net/woodwiz/Fivestring%20page.html

And a sound sample .wav file here:

http://home.everestkc.net/woodwiz/lawrenceshort.wav

These aren't a violin with a C string, or a viola with an E string.  They were designed from the start to be a five-stringed instrument.  They are made entirely in the Kansas City area, from American woods - Englemann Spruce and Bigleaf Maple, which may add to their unique sound.

We just strung up our first production five-string viola yesterday, and I recorded a sound sample today to get a baseline to illustrate how instruments open up. I can't believe the sound, from a brand-new instrument.  Usually they take a little while to start to open up, but this one sounds great from the start. This one has a home, but I'm going to be sad to see it go away.

The instruments aren't cheap, but we have a great introductory special going on.  PM me if you're interested.

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Re: Incredibow - Buy at your own risk!!
« Reply #29 on: Apr 09, 2009, 12:04:42 AM »
I've a love - hate relationship with that incredibow.   I took it to work for springtime lunch practices - and last nite I was hanging out abit before I went to the theater.  Took that lovely blingey bow out of the case and it sounded just lovely on the work fiddle.  Guess it depends on the instrument you are bowing.  Or maybe the acoustics in my office are good.  Maybe the humidity was just so?  I do like the way it handles - but always thought it drew a weak tone.  Hey maybe it's the rosin - Salchow and Son's - that's what the local bowmaker sells.  It is a nice all around rosin and it's a new cake! 

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Re: Incredibow - Buy at your own risk!!
« Reply #30 on: Mar 29, 2010, 02:36:59 PM »
Well I think Incredihair is fantastic, have it on a bow.  Superb, I can't tell much difference in terms of sound except less bow "white noise" which i prefer.  And while unbreakable hair may not be great for bow rehairers it has saved me about 150 so far.

Don't have much experience of the actual bow but disagree with the very strong opinion of Ben Hall above stating that there are no merits to them.  They appear to play differently to normal bows but, having experimented with other lightweight bows, you can adjust and get some superb rhythmic playing that doesn't feel as natural on a normal weight bow.

They are prob not good for a complete beginner but that's only because it's usually safer to start with the convential tools then discover alternatives for yourself when you have a frame of reference.

AS for  " as far as I can see - and hear  - they don't work for anyone else either, including those who think they do work for them"  well here's a link to a player with a style more modern that my personal taste but still excellent and his tone certainly sounds superb.  Whether or not he'd sound better or prefer a traditional bow, this incredibow, in my opinion, is still working v v well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaVw4063eTI&feature=related#
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Re: Incredibow - Buy at your own risk!!
« Reply #31 on: Mar 29, 2010, 03:37:18 PM »
The Incredibow will do most "fiddle" things reasonably well (in the right hands, of course), however there is absolutely no comparison between that and a quality wood or CF Arcus bow. Using different bowing (off-the-string, ricochet, stacatto, chopping) with an Incredibow just doesn't work (or badly at best). I think the Incredibow is suited to a particular type of fiddle player more so that a trad wood or CF stick.

I already posted what I think about the Incredibow, and this clip kind of bears out what I said earlier. Not detracting from the guy's playing - but an example of what I mentioned earlier. He's holding the bow at a point where he can only use about 2/3 of it - and the steep curve will make sure he doesn't mank the hair with finger sweat - which would happen with a standard bow, wood or CF. Perfect, in a way :)

As to whether he'd get a better sound with another bow - who knows. It would be pretty difficult to tell from the poor audio quality on YouTube.

Some people still manage to break hair on the IB (cornering, etc) although it is obviously more durable that horsehair.

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Re: Incredibow - Buy at your own risk!!
« Reply #32 on: Mar 29, 2010, 06:56:30 PM »
Here's a clip of Jon Boden using one at Glastonbury. Holding it at the end and using all the stick I'd say. And making a nice noise too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Soy0FzNdApc#

Mind you I know he has managed to break some hair on the IB , too.

I'd agree they're probably not right to learn on but they do have a lot of good points. I've got a good CF bow but I'm still keeping the IB for morris gigs, as it is relatively indestructable and plays louder than the Arcus without busting the hair.

As Jim says, they're good fiddling bows but maybe not right for some other styles. I think many middling ability players will find they do most things they can do with a good trad bow and more than they could with a cheapo wood bow.
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Re: Incredibow - Buy at your own risk!!
« Reply #33 on: Sep 10, 2010, 08:26:00 PM »
There are issues - we ordered (and paid for) a large number of these in March 2009. We're getting them - in a few odd shipments.

All I can say is buy from a UK firm that will allow you a decent trial and see if you like it. Make your own mind up! There are people who hate them, yes, and also people who love them. They tend to polarise opinions.

Oh - and buy a decent rosin. Don't be cheap!!

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Re: Incredibow - Buy at your own risk!!
« Reply #34 on: Sep 10, 2010, 08:33:01 PM »
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There are people who hate them, yes, and also people who love them. They tend to polarise opinions.

And ... they get used for swordfights, as at Birm Fiddle Hell this year. The fencers in question are too ashamed to go public :)

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« Reply #35 on: Sep 10, 2010, 11:47:49 PM »
I finally got my hands on one.  Maybe it'll grow on me. I think Jim's about got it, though.  Can't do violinny things with it, but probably OK for fiddling, and might look pretty good in really marginal weather. I was mostly interested to see whether the hair worked, and it's not bad, at least at my skill level.

If they ever get their customer service and shipping problems whipped, they'll probably do a lot better.  If they don't, they might have to pack it in pretty soon. That kind of service is indicative of other problems as well.  DAMHIK.

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Re: Incredibow - Buy at your own risk!!
« Reply #36 on: Sep 13, 2010, 05:03:29 PM »
I'm seeing more and more of them around now. Met someone who uses one on a nickleharpa, this weekend.
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Re: Incredibow - Buy at your own risk!!
« Reply #37 on: Sep 13, 2010, 11:38:02 PM »
Wouldn't it be awful if the supply dried up and they became rarities and the price went up?

This morning I woke up with that disturbing thought ....

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Re: Incredibow - Buy at your own risk!!
« Reply #38 on: Sep 14, 2010, 12:56:21 AM »
Wouldn't it be awful if the supply dried up and they became rarities and the price went up?
I will wonder out loud if it might not be the best thing for all parties if the Incredibow people sold out to say, Glasser or another of the mass-produced bow companies?
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Re: Incredibow - Buy at your own risk!!
« Reply #39 on: Sep 14, 2010, 02:49:03 AM »
The last batch I got in I thought were way too bouncy and uncontrollable, and I've not tried to sell them. Got one left from previous stock which I'm keeping hold of for now.

IMO they took a backwards step as they changed the design. The original featherweight is awesome, mine is a good 5 years old but totally falling apart now so I don't use it much.
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Re: Incredibow - Buy at your own risk!!
« Reply #40 on: Sep 14, 2010, 03:25:50 AM »
The originals worked great on saws.  Even I could play a saw with one!

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Re: Incredibow - Buy at your own risk!!
« Reply #41 on: Sep 14, 2010, 03:46:40 PM »
Finally got my hands on one.  Maybe I'll get used to it?

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Re: Incredibow - Buy at your own risk!!
« Reply #42 on: Sep 14, 2010, 06:25:40 PM »
I notice sweetie has been using her featherweight more lately, on the Brad five-string violin. She must like it.
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« Reply #43 on: Sep 14, 2010, 07:58:41 PM »
IMO they took a backwards step as they changed the design.
I'd guess that they made them simpler to make to keep up with the demand? It's hard to beat the originals for simplicity, though... and I remember buying them new for $85. The Elemental definitely was a really beautiful, minimalist industrial design, and I'm glad I was able to get one. The secret of making them properly unfortunately passed with Ed.

What a tragedy. :(
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« Reply #44 on: Sep 14, 2010, 08:00:24 PM »
The originals worked great on saws.  Even I could play a saw with one!
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« Reply #45 on: Sep 14, 2010, 09:17:06 PM »
Now, it was 2007 and I played a few Incredibows, so I'm guessing first generation. As I reported earlier ,quite good for most on-the-string fiddle work. Also, used for playing saws and for Fiddle Hell swordfghts - I'd have to say they are versatile :)

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« Reply #46 on: Sep 15, 2010, 02:39:57 AM »
The secret of making them properly unfortunately passed with Ed.

What a tragedy. :(

Indeed. To be honest though, it was the no-frill featherweight which really worked. I never felt the newer colours had quite the same action.
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« Reply #47 on: Sep 15, 2010, 05:19:54 PM »
I got mine several years ago and a couple of weeks ago I tried someone else's Incredibow (recent purchase) at a fest. I was surprised at how differentit was - hair was much much looser and seemed to be quite bouncy. I'm still pretty happy with mine.
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« Reply #48 on: Sep 16, 2010, 08:24:41 PM »
Has anyone played a recent "high tension" model? Of the lot, that has to be my favorite, though both of mine were made during Ed and Carolyn's lifetime. If you gotta chop, that is da bomb.

The 'no frills' lightweight with the early frog is a close second, and that is pretty "tight" feeling.
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« Reply #49 on: Sep 17, 2010, 06:20:16 PM »
Has anyone played a recent "high tension" model? Of the lot, that has to be my favorite, though both of mine were made during Ed and Carolyn's lifetime. If you gotta chop, that is da bomb.

Just got a high-tension one as part of our latest shipment. It's really, really good. So much so that Alison (biz partner / other half) has decided to keep it for herself!!

 




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