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alternative violin support
« on: Feb 02, 2004, 08:00:17 AM »

has anyone tried this support for violin?
http://www.theperfectviolin.com/index.htm

have you seen supports other than shoulder rest and/or chin rest?  the chest support system of the Viper looks cool. i wonder if there's a similar kind of support for an ordinary violin (acoustic and electric).

if you place the violin in your chest instead, wouldn't it be difficult to reach with the left hand the G string or the high notes on the E string?

care to comment on the pros and cons of each?  


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Re:alternative violin support
« Reply #1 on: Feb 02, 2004, 12:10:06 PM »
Looks interesting.

The Wood support however, is patented, so you won't find a version for acoustic violin, unless Wood decide to do one.
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Re:alternative violin support
« Reply #2 on: Feb 02, 2004, 02:54:30 PM »
I prefer to leave my chest free of attachments for a violin. I quite like to be able to breathe while playing.

The rest that the link points to seems a bit odd, cannot imagine being able to put the violin down particulary quickly. Also is that a skinny neck version or is it adjustable to avoid asphixiation.
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Re:alternative violin support
« Reply #3 on: Feb 02, 2004, 04:08:33 PM »
The alternative support is interesting and all, and I guess some people feel the need for something like that, but, I'm not one of them. I have been playing violin for so long, its like another extention of me at this point. Using a support like that would only be annoying.

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Re:alternative violin support
« Reply #4 on: Feb 03, 2004, 01:19:23 AM »
heres another alternative support mechanism

http://www.vectorinstruments.com/violins/gear.html


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Re:alternative violin support
« Reply #5 on: Feb 03, 2004, 01:46:17 AM »
heres another alternative support mechanism

http://www.vectorinstruments.com/violins/gear.html

sorry, i still don't get it. how does the hook attach itself to the player's body?

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Re:alternative violin support
« Reply #6 on: Feb 03, 2004, 01:59:13 AM »
Vic I agree with you and I haven't  figured it out either but, I wasn't to sure how the one in the original post was mounted either ;D
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Re:alternative violin support
« Reply #7 on: Feb 05, 2004, 11:00:25 PM »
The original post showed a bendy metal snake thing that hooks round the back of the neck. looked not too comfortable in the photos and would be worrying a little about the fixing to the violin as well as looking like a complete prat using a violin equivalent of stabilisers.
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Re:alternative violin support
« Reply #8 on: Feb 05, 2004, 11:11:07 PM »
Neither solution has a look that is enticing me either but, I guess they demonstrate that there are some possibilities out there ?
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Re:alternative violin support
« Reply #9 on: Feb 06, 2004, 01:11:52 AM »

I guess for long-hours of practice at home they're ok, but for actual performance, I'd still stick to the conventional chinrest/shoulder rest combi.

Before, when my left arm gets tired of holding the violin (i know, it shouldn't be held that way) or I feel tension on my neck, I would just sit down and put my elbow on top of the desk while holding the violin and bow in that position.

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Re:alternative violin support
« Reply #10 on: Feb 06, 2004, 12:51:19 PM »
sorry, i still don't get it. how does the hook attach itself to the player's body?

Looks to me like the "Hook" hangs down over your left shoulder to stop the violin slipping off to the right. Imagine a Kun rest with an extra bit on the left as you look at it.

I think the Bonmusica dos the same thing less obtrusively. There is a slight hook over your sholder, but nothing like that monster. I find the advantage of the Bonmusica is not so much to stop sliding, but just to locate the instrument in exactly the same place everytime I play.

I'm wondering where you put "The Hook" in your case when travelling, it looks pretty bulky.

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Re:alternative violin support
« Reply #11 on: Feb 06, 2004, 04:38:29 PM »
In principal I think this is a good idea and I wish there was something satisfactory to replace the clamping with the chin thing.
as a back pain sufferer I have experimented a bit myself and nearly choked myself with some elastic! I did come up with a fairly good strap system but it was awkward to get on and off. My father-in-law is and inventor so I asked him to come up with something. He came up with an idea of wearing a hat that attached to the scroll! The principal was sound but nobody wants to look a prat! I guess though that good ideas are developed from crazy lateral thinking and no idea should be dismissed out of hand.
I like the idea of the shoulder rest hook. I use a Bon Musica and love it but feel more of a hook would suit me better.

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Re:alternative violin support
« Reply #12 on: Feb 07, 2004, 01:12:34 AM »

Here's another one.
Fiddle-Ezy Violin Support System  
http://www.quinnviolins.com/qv_spotlight.shtml

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Re:alternative violin support
« Reply #13 on: Feb 07, 2004, 02:33:09 AM »
Vic
I looked at it, hard to see what their really selling.  Do you, Could you come up with a bigger or better picture or discription?  I'm really looking for something that would help an old man out.

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Re:alternative violin support
« Reply #14 on: Feb 07, 2004, 10:23:41 PM »
The last one looked a bit like a strap might be able to come up with something homemade here and save everyone the money on such questionable devices. I could use one to free up my left hand for looping and various button pushing activities. Lets see some sort of nylon utility belt from Home Depot (I think I saw something over there that went around the chest and over the shoulder and then we need to (securely) hook onto the violin. The tailpiece button is a possibility but, one should make sure that is fairly secure before depending on it?
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Re:alternative violin support
« Reply #15 on: Feb 07, 2004, 10:38:56 PM »
Just the thought of depending on the tailpin send funny feelings up my spine.  However, I do understand the problems we're address here.  My teacher has a viper and the system that lets that system work so well is the support foot that fits up to your front and lifts the violin up.  Now that system is pat. and so out of reach.  However, the thought of front support is outside of any pat., so great minds, start working.

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Re:alternative violin support
« Reply #16 on: Feb 07, 2004, 10:46:24 PM »
What I am thinking in terms of here is not eliminating the need for a shoulder rest but, adding something to keep the instrument sort of attached near the neck (your neck not the instruments) which would (hopefully) secure the tail end of the instrument (somehow the tailpiece button may not be the best  attachment point). This is obviously a homemade solution so, using easilly obtained and relatively inexpenssive materials is important.

Anybody else want to contribute some more ideas, suggestions (I hope so) maybe better then my current idea?
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Re:alternative violin support
« Reply #17 on: Feb 08, 2004, 12:59:31 AM »
Most chin rests grip the fiddle at two points.
Most shoulder rests grip the fiddle at two points.
i.e. a support system could grip the fiddle along the fashion of the above with somekind of fast connect/dis-connects on both sides of the fiddle.  All you would do is put on the support harness and then connect to the fiddle, when finished playing disconnect from the fiddle and then slip out of the harness if you wanted to.
Another train of thought, maybe good, maybe not.

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Re:alternative violin support
« Reply #18 on: Feb 08, 2004, 01:12:48 AM »
Well thats as good as any suggestion so far Pilgrum I guess I will look around for some found object to use in this idea and with any luck we will accumulate a few more ideas before too long. I think there is an interest in something like this so, lets see what other suggestions come along. We might even get lucky and get to mooch some ideas out of our luthier and engineering buddies on the forum.
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Re:alternative violin support
« Reply #19 on: Feb 08, 2004, 01:34:33 AM »
The most satisfactory solution I came up with was a luggage strap that clips together. I found that the best thing was to hook it around the chin rest after the strap went under my right arm and around my neck.

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Re:alternative violin support
« Reply #20 on: Feb 08, 2004, 01:54:45 AM »
The most satisfactory solution I came up with was a luggage strap that clips together. I found that the best thing was to hook it around the chin rest after the strap went under my right arm and around my neck.

Ooh! thats a very good idea I think I will try that out tomorrow not in the mood to go rummaging about the attic at this hour of night -Chilly and dark right now ;D

The simplest solution is often the best solution still, will have to make sure the Chinrest is properly tourqued so as not to pull that off by accident.
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Re:alternative violin support
« Reply #21 on: Feb 10, 2004, 12:40:24 AM »
Alan
So a day has passed, can we now have the report regarding the trip to the attic?

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Re:alternative violin support
« Reply #22 on: Feb 10, 2004, 01:07:22 PM »
I am working also at a similar solution.

I play a 6 strings electric violin that's a bit heavier than a common one.  
At the moment i am enough used to it and i can hold it without problems, but i'm also searching for a good solution for holding it easily when i practice at home but also on stage.

I've tried the soundboot solution of a closed strap hooked around the chinrest, but it doesn't work well.
The classic chinrest clamp is designed to be charged from the top. It acts like a lever, more you push on its top, more it will be firmly attached to the violin.
But if we connect a strap to the chinrest, this will pull the chinsert up (i hope to be clear with my english) and it will tend to pull-off and detach the chinrest from the violin.

However, i'm working at a "strap" holder but i've not found a correct solution.

Let us know about your trial, Alan.
I will make the same.  ;)


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Re:alternative violin support
« Reply #23 on: Feb 11, 2004, 09:09:30 PM »
Hmm...these all look interesting
as for Wood Violins, it should be out about 2 years ago.  pfffft...
they claim its still in the works..
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Re:alternative violin support
« Reply #24 on: Feb 11, 2004, 09:18:54 PM »
Alan
So a day has passed, can we now have the report regarding the trip to the attic?

Okay yeah well it worked and it didn't work the Chinrest on my 5 string got pulled off (naturally I put it back on) so, this should work for most instruments that hold the chinrest well. Unfortunately for me the D & H 5 string is a little touchy in that area I think you should give it a try but, test carefully and do check the state of the chinrest clamp tension and stability before placing your trust in this arrangement.
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Re:alternative violin support
« Reply #25 on: Mar 03, 2004, 06:05:46 AM »
Pilgrim, I got the Inspiral already. But then, my stiff neck disappeared already after I went back to dancing. Seems like I need to do regular exercise.

Going back to Inspiral, it's actually a form of a chinrest. The hook is attached to the tail part of the violin and is placed on the other shoulder. The right side of the chin applies tension to the hook to balance the weight of the violin. The advantage is, you don't need to bend your neck to hold the violin. You just need to adjust the hook so your cheek bone or your neck can hold it. It requires a shoulder rest that can be adjusted to the right angle so it sits perfectly on the shoulder or chest.

Looks ok to me just for practice and very useful for long hours of fiddling. However, I have to unscrew it after use so I can put back the violin in its case.


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