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What rosin do YOU use with Helicore strings?
« on: Jan 14, 2009, 07:26:22 PM »
Hi, All,

Just wondering... what kind of rosin have you found that works well with Helicore strings?

I had been using Pirastro Oliv rosin for the past few years. It seems to work well, and leaves very little rosin on the fingerboard/top.

But - then I borrowed some cheap old D'Addario "light" rosin (the stuff in the plastic trough), and now I seem to be able to get more volume/response with significantly less effort!

Anyone found a brand/type that really works well with Helicores?

Thanks!!

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Re: What rosin do YOU use with Helicore strings?
« Reply #1 on: Jan 14, 2009, 07:44:43 PM »
I've been using Melos dark and like it a lot......I use to use the old Tartini, then I tried the "new improved Paganini" and didn't like it as well so I went with Melos dark and have not looked back. Melos is less expensive than Tartini and Paganini and seems to fit my playing style...happy camper !!!

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Re: What rosin do YOU use with Helicore strings?
« Reply #2 on: Jan 22, 2009, 05:47:09 PM »
I've always used Hill dark, but I might give Jade a shot one of these days.

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Re: What rosin do YOU use with Helicore strings?
« Reply #3 on: Jan 22, 2009, 08:32:47 PM »
Melos dark, or Bernardel, on the medium Helicores my viola wears.

Hill dark is another old standby; I keep a block of that in a quahog shell on the bench in my workshop, along with a single edge razor blade and some maple curls I'm saving for spiral bushings. The other stuff comes and goes, but the Hill dark seems to stick around.
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Re: What rosin do YOU use with Helicore strings?
« Reply #4 on: Jan 23, 2009, 10:34:33 PM »
I like Salchow, it has a really clear, clean finish. 

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Re: What rosin do YOU use with Helicore strings?
« Reply #5 on: Jan 26, 2009, 12:20:08 PM »
My bow is s Coda, and I like the Bernadel rosin the best overall.
I have used it with larsen, most pirastro strings, helicores and zyex..
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Re: What rosin do YOU use with Helicore strings?
« Reply #6 on: Jan 30, 2009, 07:14:05 PM »
I too use Gustave Bernadel.  Works great with my carbon fiber beta bow... although a little rosin goes a long way, and with one of my bows, the Bernadel rosin creates a "gritty" sound.
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Re: What rosin do YOU use with Helicore strings?
« Reply #7 on: Jan 31, 2009, 05:56:20 PM »
Andrea Paganini with Helicore mediums - loud and rich sound.

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Re: What rosin do YOU use with Helicore strings?
« Reply #8 on: Feb 02, 2009, 05:20:54 AM »
I'm guessing, but I use Kaplan Premium Light, and really like it.
It's grabby and smooth at the same time, which is a good trick.
It's really produced by D'Addario- who also makes the Helicores.
It just could be the Helicores were among the strings they tested
the Kaplan Premium rosin on, just maybe.

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Re: What rosin do YOU use with Helicore strings?
« Reply #9 on: Feb 02, 2009, 08:32:18 PM »
I use Hill Dark.

I used it for years wiith Piastro ChromCores and just switches to Helicores about two months ago.

It took a while to get used to the Helicores.  They play and sound very different than the Chromcores - so it took me about 3 weeks to get used to them and to learn how to get the best sound out of'em.

Now, I think I like'em a bit better than the Chromcores - but I suppose a lot depends on the fiddle.

Anyhow,  I'm still using Hill Dark with them and haven't had any issues that make me think I ought to change rosin brands.

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Re: What rosin do YOU use with Helicore strings?
« Reply #10 on: Oct 24, 2011, 02:46:01 AM »
Andrea rosin sounds great with helicore strings. Also i dont have to put alot of rosin on the hair to make it sound.

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Re: What rosin do YOU use with Helicore strings?
« Reply #11 on: Nov 19, 2011, 10:50:58 PM »
I've been using Kaplan Artcraft dark with Helicores, and some other strings, for a while now. Good basic fiddler's rosin. Grippy and powerful and cheap!

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Re: What rosin do YOU use with Helicore strings?
« Reply #12 on: Feb 06, 2012, 06:45:10 PM »
Im using Royal Oak Profi Line but thats the roisin Im using for the last 4 years even when I had Thomastik präzision light on. Havent tried any other for the last few years so cant really compare and tell. May be I should invest a bit into that direction as well.

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Re: What rosin do YOU use with Helicore strings?
« Reply #13 on: Feb 06, 2012, 10:01:13 PM »
100's of strings.......100's rosins........10000's of permutations, this could be a long discussion ....

I vote Hills Dark with Spirocores  :D
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Re: What rosin do YOU use with Helicore strings?
« Reply #14 on: Feb 06, 2012, 11:27:24 PM »

I vote Hills Dark with Spirocores  :D


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Re: What rosin do YOU use with Helicore strings?
« Reply #15 on: Feb 07, 2012, 06:41:40 AM »
Hills Dark and Jade depending on humidity.

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Re: What rosin do YOU use with Helicore strings?
« Reply #16 on: Feb 10, 2012, 08:27:06 AM »
I hear that there might be a problem when using one roisin and then trying another roisin while the roisin from the other one is still at the bowhair. In my case I would try Bernardel or Hill dark while there is still some Royal Oak at the bowhair left.
Any suggestions?

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Re: What rosin do YOU use with Helicore strings?
« Reply #17 on: Feb 10, 2012, 04:49:26 PM »
I've never noticed a problem mixing rosins, but I've never used the fancy ones loaded with metal from outer space, either.

Grabbing whatever rosin is handiest, I use Bernardel or Hill dark along with Melos dark, RDM dark (that's the good cheap stuff in a wood block), Salchow, Hidersine, and various ones from the Pirastro line. I haven't used Royal Oak, so I don't know if it would pose problems or not, but my best guess is not.

My next experiment should be putting on some Jade over whatever random rosin is on whichever bow at the moment. I got a chunk of that green stuff to see what all the fuss was about, but set it aside and haven't got around to trying it yet.
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Re: What rosin do YOU use with Helicore strings?
« Reply #18 on: Feb 10, 2012, 05:58:44 PM »
Easy and forgiveable to obsess over rosin.

I use a softer more gummy rosin on my baroque strings (Obligato I think?) A drier powdery rosin on my steel strung orchestral viola (Pirastro something or other with added gold particles!!) and Hills for all my fiddles and electriks. Just what seems to suit best over the years...in a pinch I will borrow anybodies! and never been aware of an unbalanced intermix, Scotty.

The only Rosin I have ever thrown away in disgust and determined horrid and useless is some of the 'free' stuff, 30 year old blocks of 'Hidesine' and the worst rosin I EVER came across which was called 'Jade' I think and was GREEN! God that stuff was dreadful.

Apart from that yer pays yer money and takes yer choice largely?

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Re: What rosin do YOU use with Helicore strings?
« Reply #19 on: Feb 20, 2012, 08:06:43 PM »
I don't remember disliking the jade, actually.

I used to use Tartini, and use Melos light now.

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Re: What rosin do YOU use with Helicore strings?
« Reply #20 on: Mar 13, 2012, 04:59:04 PM »
liebenzeller rosin and paganini rosin are the best for me.  Liebenzeller gold 1 gives you more clarity of sound, less effort to play, and most all if u apply a little rosin itll last long time on your bow without reapplication. i love it. ive tried almost every rosin out there and this is the only rosin that ive used that improves your sound quality.

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Re: What rosin do YOU use with Helicore strings?
« Reply #21 on: Jul 28, 2012, 05:42:26 PM »
I love Pirastro Olive... have used it for 10 years now  http://yourmusicsupply.com/Pirastro-Olive-Violin-Rosin-hcc-810845-hcc-810845.htm

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Re: What rosin do YOU use with Helicore strings?
« Reply #22 on: Jul 28, 2012, 05:44:10 PM »
But for my students i recommend Bernadel because it is lighter http://yourmusicsupply.com/Bernadel-Rosin-hcc-810830-hcc-810830.htm

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Re: What rosin do YOU use with Helicore strings?
« Reply #23 on: Aug 21, 2012, 03:34:43 PM »
Picked up my rehaired bows from my favourite bowmaker. He only makes and repairs bows, thats all. Started a discussion about rosin and what he thinks is good and what mixes and what doesnt. His first treatment to the rehaired bow is usually a good amount of rosinpowder on the bowhair before you leave his shop, but he always asks, if its wanted, needed and what rosin Im using. Because he didnt know Royal Oak rosin which Im using and doesnt know if that goes well together he didnt put any of his rosin on to it. He uses Bernadel. I then wanted to know what rosin he thinks is the best and what changes the tone to the better. He said its an old discussion and is sick of following it up. He said it doesnt matter that much what rosin, because there are pretty good ones out there. He told me about a first violinist of an orchestra who takes pretty much everything with no major differences to him in quality, tone or grip. The guy who runs the shop said its more important to have a rosin that is not too old, if thats the case then the bow produces more dust than grip and of course when buying the rosin make sure its not lying in the shop for last decade. Best is to know the people who run the shops so you can trust them when they tell you how "fresh" their rosin is. When ordering it online then you wont know at all how old it is.

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Re: What rosin do YOU use with Helicore strings?
« Reply #24 on: Apr 25, 2013, 10:53:40 PM »
Don't know if it's too late or bad form to reply to such an old thread, but I like Hill Light. Using Helicore mediums on my 14" viola with both an antique pernambuco bow and a Codabow Diamond SX. 

For fun I experimented with Hidersine 1V, Bernadel, Salchow, Melos Light, Sartory and Magic (clear) rosins. Some were dusty, some sounded gritty, but Hill Light isn't dusty, grips well without sounding gritty, makes a nice sound for this inexperienced newbie. I use it very sparingly.

My teacher recommended it. She's been using the same block for about 20 years. I tried all the others before taking her advice, because nobody else ever mentions it. Found out she was right, at least for me.

 




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