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fretting an oud
« on: Apr 29, 2008, 07:34:39 PM »
I've just got an oud (north African parent of the lute).  I would love to use it for medieval banquets but it's too quiet.  If I had it lightly fretted by a luthier would it be louder?

Great to play as it is except it keeps slipping off my lap.

Anyone any ideas how to put a strap on it?

(Please move this if I've posted it in the wrong place.)

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Re: fretting an oud
« Reply #1 on: May 09, 2008, 02:01:34 PM »
You could save a few dollars and test out whether fretting helps out much by tying some frets on. It is an old technique and might be enough to satisfy your needs. The first link describes using monofilament fishing line so if you fish you might have the materials lying about...
http://www.mugwumps.com/FretKnot.html
http://www.daniellarson.com/vfrets.htm

You might be able to stabilize the bottom by finding a point to tie on a long shoelace to a belt loop on some pants?

PS: Since this is an Oud you might have to think about adding strap buttons which might not be such a bad idea...
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Re: fretting an oud
« Reply #2 on: May 10, 2008, 05:21:40 PM »
Alan Kroeger: you have saved my plan.  Thanks.  Here I was sitting with my oud staring blankly at a gut-fretted saz.  Talk about not seeing what's right in front of oneself. ???

The two knot sites are great.  Thanks again.  :)

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Re: fretting an oud
« Reply #3 on: May 10, 2008, 06:02:56 PM »
Ah you mean the picture from Wiki that was uploaded by Just Plain Bill aka Beeswing ;D
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fret#Explanation
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Re: fretting an oud
« Reply #4 on: May 10, 2008, 07:42:19 PM »
no Alan, a real saz.

still can't play it though
all those microtones

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Re: fretting an oud
« Reply #5 on: May 10, 2008, 08:32:23 PM »
no Alan, a real saz.

still can't play it though
all those microtones
Whats a real Saz there are so many variations on the lute/oud theme in so many cultures that I would say it is not possible to be empirical ;D

Here is some impressive playing on a Saz?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXJAzS70r0M
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Re: fretting an oud
« Reply #6 on: May 11, 2008, 04:05:37 AM »
That one whose neck shows in the 'pedia pic is a bozuk size, so I was told, with a body a tad smaller than the one on a regular bağlama. Not sure if the name is related to "bouzouki" or to do with the Turkish word meaning "broken," or what.  I got it in a music store in Ankara in the mid-seventies, probably the lowliest of the cheapo grade, suitable for beginners and tourists. Maybe even a "saz-shaped object" ?

I'm assuming a "real" saz is a bit more finely made. I know the pegs on mine were a bit rough. Over the years I've replaced one or two with 3/4 or 1/2 size violin pegs, I forget. I never played it a whole lot, not at all these days.

I saw a nice bağlama once with what looked like a tuğra painted where the soundhole of a guitar might go, on top under the strings. Generally the soundhole of a saz is where we're used to seeing an endpin.
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Re: fretting an oud
« Reply #7 on: May 11, 2008, 03:24:18 PM »
All I meant was that I was looking at an actual object with gut frets and still missed the point, rather than gazing at a virtual one.  My saz was given to me ages ago and is quite crude, long neck, rounded back and metal strings, with no sound hole.   It's part of the bouzouki family, the long necked lutes.   The oud is a fretless short necked lute, quite different from the saz; for a fiddle player rather than a guitarist, much easier to learn.  It's getting louder every day.  I'll need ear plugs soon.  Perhaps the frets won't be needed.
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Re: fretting an oud
« Reply #8 on: May 17, 2008, 07:58:54 PM »
I've tied on some frets using 14lb fishing line and the knot shown above.  Really easy to do.  I positioned them using an electronic tuner.  The tone is much crisper, with a clearer attack which should help cut through some of the racket of Medieval banquets.  Thanks everyone. :) :) :)

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Re: fretting an oud
« Reply #9 on: May 17, 2008, 08:53:40 PM »
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Re: fretting an oud
« Reply #10 on: May 18, 2008, 12:15:14 AM »
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