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Re:Hang it to dry
« Reply #25 on: Jan 16, 2004, 05:12:07 PM »
You may very well right Martin. I am not fluid at all with strathspeys. Perhaps this one is just a tune without categorization. I like though.

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Re:Hang it to dry
« Reply #26 on: Jan 16, 2004, 09:49:13 PM »
Very nice work, Mark, I like it!! :D

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Re:Hang it to dry
« Reply #27 on: Jan 16, 2004, 10:17:08 PM »
I'm very new to Strathspeys, but isn't a more usual rhythm

D<F F>A d>A c<G  | ? i.e. short long long short long short short long.

I have a sum total of three Strathspeys to look at (Cutting Bracken, Captain Campbell, Highland Whisky) and they all contain this form somewhere.

I'm planning on getting a copy of "The Fiddle Music of Scotland" by James Hunter when funds allow, so I'm prepared to be wrong.

I'd say it's a common rhythm but not an essential feature.  The Scottish snap (D<F for example, played downbow upbow) and dotted rhythm is what gives the Strathspey its character but the rhythm can vary all over the place; it's not necessarily short long long short, or long short short long (FWIW, there's also a figure called the driven bow, or up-driven bow, where a note combination like D<F F>A is played with a downbow on the initial note, and upbow for the other 3, played fairly staccato, that some people also call the Scottish snap, but the way I'm using the term is more common, I believe).

For that matter, I have one collection from the late 1700's which contains a bunch of strathspeys notated with fairly long stretches of even rhythm, with only the occasional snap thrown in (and I'm assuming that's the way they were played rather than a notational thing because there are others in that collection that have dotted rhythms).  But if you're objecting to all those triplets in the B part I agree with you, it's not typical of the style; I can't think of another strathspey with 8 bars of triplets!  I'm not sure all those triplets really work for a strathpey, actually.  :-\  -Steve

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Re:Hang it to dry
« Reply #28 on: Jan 16, 2004, 10:54:04 PM »
I suppose you all are quite right. I'll repeat what I said. This tune may not fit any category now. I'll repeat that I enjoy the tune no matter what it is.

I'll say this for the first time. I'm glad to see all this activity on this post. I kind of wished I'd seen some more during the writing phase. It would probably be a Strathspey if anyone else had retained a little interest in writing this tune. I truly felt sure that no one was going to touch it at all so I finished the way I wanted.

If you feel that the first 8 bars have promise as a strathspey, by all means go with it and write the real B part. We'll call the current B Part "MArk's Weird ending" Trust me in this one. I would love to see this piece as an official Strathspey. I would play it that way and then I would pull out my "alternate ending" to finish it off.

Please contribute a different B part and thanks for the info on strathspeys. Have a great weekend.

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Re:Hang it to dry
« Reply #29 on: Jan 17, 2004, 05:37:20 AM »
Sorry Mark, I didn't intend my comments to be a criticism of your efforts, so I hope you didn't take them that way!  I had intended to contribute more to this one but I've been busy the last couple days working on an upcoming fiddle/dance performance and haven't had a chance to think about any of these tunes. -Steve

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Re:Hang it to dry
« Reply #30 on: Jan 19, 2004, 02:04:46 PM »
Hey, FWIW, I really *liked* the version Mark just posted up there, but I'd be interested in a more correct strathespey too. Can we try one? We can always save either or both and use them as we like, right?

I dunno, but it seems like we're being careful to not insult each other by rewriting the others parts. As for me (and what I can read of Mark, him too) I don't care what you rewrite or remove of mine. I'm just along for the ride and not grinding out measures with sweat and blood. I don't have the proper tools to write it with yet anyway.

I'd think that if you *did* work very very hard on submissions to ABCs here and were pretty proud of your work and got upset if someone were to rewite it or change it, you may want to reconsider, or warn us. (I don't think that *I'll* be rewriting anything here, but some may, and even *should* possibly?) Maybe we need to work out a "plan" to write these things thats fair to everyone?

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Re:Hang it to dry
« Reply #31 on: Jan 19, 2004, 03:20:42 PM »
You guys pegged me. I was a little miffed on Friday. A bit proud of the B part because it suited me. I knew what you all were saying and it was by no means a criticism of what I wrote. It was a criticism of how what I wrote fit into the strathspey form.

Please don't sweat it. I apologize for get a little hot. You recognized the barely concealed acidity of my post for what it was.

Still, a part of what I said made good sense. If you feel that the A part has promise as a strathspey, Get the B part started and I will follow the true formwhen I contribute.

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Re:Hang it to dry
« Reply #32 on: Jan 19, 2004, 10:04:53 PM »
I worked on the one I posted and came up with this.

X:1
T:Hang it to dry.
R:Strathspey
A:Mark C,Steve W,Floyd
M:C
L:1/8
Q:1/2=80
K:Dm
|:"Dm"D>F F>A d<A "C"c<G|"Dm"A>d F<A (3DFA "A"(3FA^c|"Dm"f<d "C"e>f "Bb"d/2c/2B/2A/2 "A"GA|"Dm"F<DF>A"A" ^c>d e^c|!
"Dm" d2 f<d a<d "C" e>c |"Bb"B<d d<B f<B d>B|"A" A<^c c>A "Bb" B<d d>B|"Dm"(3Adf (3agf "Am"(3efd (3cBA:|!
|:"A"A>^c "Dm"d<f "A"^c>e "Dm"d<a|(3Ade "Bb" b>f f>d "Am"(3cBA|"A" e>^c "Dm"f<d "Am"c>A "Dm"d>f|"A"(3Ade "G"g>b "A"e>a "Bb"(3fab|
"A"A>^c "Dm"f<d A>d "A"e<a |"A"(3A^ce "G"g>d "A"a<e "Dm"(3fed|"A"a>f g>e "Dm"d>e "Am"=c<A|"Dm"(3Adf (3agf "Am"(3efd (3cBA:|!
% Mark's triplet variation
|"A"(3A^ce "Dm"(3Adf "A"(3A^ce "Dm"(3Adf|(3Ade "Bb"(3bgf "Dm"(3efd "Am"(3cBA|
"A"(3e^cA "Dm"(3fdA "A"(3e^cA "Dm"(3fdA|"A"(3Ade "G"(3gfg "A"(3ega "Bb"(3fab|
"A"(3A^ce "Dm"(3fdA (3Adf "A"(3e^cA |"A"(3A^ce "G"(3gfg "A"(3aeg "Dm"(3fed|
"A"(3agf (3gfe "Dm"(3ded "A"(3=cBA|"Dm"(3Adf (3agf "Am"(3efd (3cBA:|!




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Re:Hang it to dry
« Reply #33 on: Jan 19, 2004, 10:42:58 PM »
If you would like to hear this Strathspey with two different variations on the B part, Follow this link and look for the "Hang it to Dry Link"

http://www.geocities.com/celtic_fiddler/Main_page.html

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Re: Hang it to dry
« Reply #34 on: Sep 24, 2004, 09:05:34 PM »
I attached the midi.


 




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