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chapman stick?
« on: Mar 09, 2008, 11:07:40 PM »
How come I don't have one of these?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtFiWadMdyA&feature=user

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Re: chapman stick?
« Reply #1 on: Mar 09, 2008, 11:52:21 PM »
'Cause you're not Tony Levin??? ;D

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« Reply #2 on: Mar 10, 2008, 01:25:01 AM »
LOL - Pete sent me a Levin link!

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« Reply #3 on: Mar 10, 2008, 02:13:29 AM »
He may not be, however my thanks to Jenford who posted this link. A very sensitive rendition. I put in my favorites. Thank you Jenford, whoever you are.......................:-) don......

'Cause you're not Tony Levin??? ;D

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« Reply #4 on: Mar 10, 2008, 02:33:32 AM »
He may not be, however my thanks to Jenford who posted this link. A very sensitive rendition. I put in my favorites. Thank you Jenford, whoever you are.......................:-) don......

She is, Don SHE!

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Re: chapman stick?
« Reply #5 on: Mar 10, 2008, 03:09:33 AM »
How come I don't have one of these?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtFiWadMdyA&feature=user
Same reason I don't... they are definitely priced out of "impulse buy" range. ;D

http://www.stick.com/
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« Reply #6 on: Mar 10, 2008, 03:26:33 AM »
lol

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« Reply #7 on: Mar 10, 2008, 01:27:12 PM »
Hi, The he I was refering to was the he playing the stick in the vid, not the poster. :-)
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« Reply #8 on: Mar 10, 2008, 02:58:16 PM »
LOL - Pete sent me a Levin link!
You  could still shave your head? ;D
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« Reply #9 on: Mar 10, 2008, 02:59:29 PM »
I am of the female persuasion!  Last time I checked anyway :-)

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Re: chapman stick?
« Reply #10 on: Mar 10, 2008, 03:05:31 PM »
Sure - it's the mustache I'd have some trouble with LOL!

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« Reply #11 on: Mar 10, 2008, 03:18:33 PM »
Sure - it's the mustache I'd have some trouble with LOL!
You can have mine... I lost it in a poker game... ;D
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Re: chapman stick?
« Reply #12 on: Mar 10, 2008, 03:27:00 PM »
Sure - it's the mustache I'd have some trouble with LOL!

Read my last name again and then see why I'm confused about this post... ;D

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Re: chapman stick?
« Reply #13 on: Mar 10, 2008, 03:42:31 PM »
Rob Martino is pretty good check out Steve Adelson and Greg Howard while you are at it.
http://www.youtube.com/user/Adelstick
http://www.youtube.com/user/gregplaysthestick
Well a Stick is pricey but there is also a Megatar
http://www.megatar.com which are priced to go, about the price of two guitars. Most of them are really two sets of strings on one neck.
Now Sticks and Megatars are the same scale length as a bass (34-36 inches)

Megatar (Dino Haak)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CoPpb9qALtA

Stu Box (Box Guitar) A Box Guitar uses a standard guitar scale length 24-25.5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5Q2s2D2JTI

If you want to play one of these you had better figure out if you think a bass scale length is suitable to you or not. If not then something like the Box Guitar might be a better choice.
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Re: chapman stick?
« Reply #14 on: Mar 10, 2008, 03:46:51 PM »
If you want to play one of these you had better figure out if you think a bass scale length is suitable to you or not. If not then something like the Box Guitar might be a better choice.
Stanley Jordan has been doing the polyphonic tapping thing for years on standard guitars, which kinda blows away the argument for having a "special" instrument for me...
http://www.stanleyjordan.com/
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Re: chapman stick?
« Reply #15 on: Mar 10, 2008, 04:07:55 PM »
Stanley Jordan has been doing the polyphonic tapping thing for years on standard guitars, which kinda blows away the argument for having a "special" instrument for me...
http://www.stanleyjordan.com/
Try doing tapping for a month or two and the advantages of a second set of strings becomes more then apparent.
Stanley now frequently plays on two guitars at one time there are distinct advantages to having two sets of strings. The main one is that you can play notes that are too close together to allow both hands to operate efficiently. Certainly one can manage it but it is actually limiting Stanley Jordan and Emmett Chapman lead the way in the 80's. Chapman actually created the two sets of strings on one neck concept. There was another fellow who built doublenecked instruments at the same time Dave Bunker
Dave Bunker http://www.bunker-guitars.com/touch.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAstqXR4QTc

A fun Tony Levin Piece
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fuQBmi6Ca4

Adam Fulara playing a custom double neck instrument
Bach BWV 848
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c46fr2EZOhQ

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Re: chapman stick?
« Reply #16 on: Mar 10, 2008, 04:20:36 PM »
You guyz just "crack me up"!

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Re: chapman stick?
« Reply #17 on: Mar 10, 2008, 05:44:33 PM »
Try doing tapping for a month or two and the advantages of a second set of strings becomes more then apparent.
If you want to do it polyphonically... I could spend quite a bit of time trying to perfect the Eddie van Halen/Randy Rhoads thing and keep myself very entertained! ;)

Figure out a way to use two bows at once and I might take notice. :)

It seems to be an iron rule... the more control you give to the expression and articulation of each single note, the less able you are to play polyphonically. That is kind of why I'm not quite as interested in keyboards, it's like typing... pushing buttons.
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Re: chapman stick?
« Reply #18 on: Mar 10, 2008, 09:15:46 PM »
you are also missing a subtle difference between guitar tapping and a Stick/Megatar/Warr Guitar. Those mentioned are intended for for polyphonic playing but also run into the contra bass range. It also takes a lot of time whether one applies the single guitar method or the double string set approach. But both approaches are done primarily to expand polyphonic playing possibilities.
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« Reply #19 on: Mar 10, 2008, 09:44:56 PM »
you are also missing a subtle difference between guitar tapping and a Stick/Megatar/Warr Guitar. Those mentioned are intended for for polyphonic playing but also run into the contra bass range.
As with anything of this nature, things are getting hybridized pretty fast. Ibanez has a mass-produced eight-string guitar on the market, there are a bunch of long-scales and baritones... and there's Conklin! There was a really off-the-wall seven-string bass on the wall at the Pasadena Guitar Center for a while, it responded pretty well to tapping.

http://www.conklinguitars.com/index.html

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« Reply #20 on: Mar 10, 2008, 10:38:44 PM »
Plenty of 8 string guitars and basses but it isn't the same thing as the tappers are designed for. Most true tappers use twin string sets to minimize collisions between hands.


Megatar is mostly a bass it ships out at a cost of $1100.00 (ignore the listed price)
Box Guitar is $1300.00

So if you think of them as two guitars you are getting them for $500-$650 per guitar. The cost is actually pretty good when you look at it that way both use two truss rods.

Last I looked the 8 string Ibanez was still above $1400.00
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« Reply #21 on: Mar 11, 2008, 12:23:10 AM »
I am quite capable of reading English without added emphasis to get a point across. Never once in that sentence did I refer to Jen Ford as a male. NEVER. See, it works both ways. Is this the way newbies are corrected in this forum, even if the Moderator did not read the message correctly and fired off a hasty corrective reply?
 Makes me wonder, Don
   


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« Reply #24 on: Mar 11, 2008, 01:46:53 AM »
I am quite capable of reading English without added emphasis to get a point across. Never once in that sentence did I refer to Jen Ford as a male. NEVER. See, it works both ways. Is this the way newbies are corrected in this forum, even if the Moderator did not read the message correctly and fired off a hasty corrective reply?
 Makes me wonder, Don

Sigh...

I wrote:
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'Cause you're not Tony Levin??? Grin

You wrote :
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He may not be, however my thanks to Jenford who posted this link. A very sensitive rendition. I put in my favorites. Thank you Jenford, whoever you are.......................:-) don......

(Emphasis mine.)

So I wrote (tongue in cheek, as evinced by the smiley)

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She is, Don SHE!

Jen's a girl.

;D

Read it in order. Then you decide. My reference was to Jen, and the reason that she hasn't a stick is because she's not Tony Levin, one of the premier performers with the instrument. If you continue that via responding with and to my quote, then you're also referring to Jen. If you wanted to refer to the performer, then it might have been better if you had written "The performer might not be..."

Oh, I might need to apologize- is English not your first language? If not, sorry, because the nuances can get problematic.

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« Reply #25 on: Mar 11, 2008, 02:04:00 AM »
Here is one of Chris Broderick now of Megadeth
Mozart
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« Reply #26 on: Mar 11, 2008, 03:37:59 AM »
so - i think the stick is a percussion instrument. 

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« Reply #27 on: Mar 11, 2008, 03:39:37 AM »
so - i think the stick is a percussion instrument.

Absolutely. Same way the piano is.

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« Reply #28 on: Mar 11, 2008, 04:10:33 AM »
we were discussing the stick at work today - bass player and classical guitarist.
I suggested it was percussive like a piano - they were a bit dubious - but maybe didn't understand the distinction.
But is nice to work with fellow musicians - even if our business is IT.

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« Reply #29 on: Mar 11, 2008, 04:31:51 PM »
I'm curious - is this an electric instrument?
Never seen one up close.
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« Reply #30 on: Mar 11, 2008, 06:11:31 PM »
I'm curious - is this an electric instrument?
Never seen one up close.
Yup! Basically a body-less electric guitar. The action is very, VERY low to facilitate the tapping method of playing it. Their website is pretty informative, and the Wikipedia entry on its creator , Emmet Chapman, is also pretty good.
http://www.stick.com/
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« Reply #31 on: Mar 11, 2008, 06:24:10 PM »
I am of the female persuasion!  Last time I checked anyway :-)

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« Reply #32 on: Mar 12, 2008, 07:51:08 PM »
Indeed!  LOL

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« Reply #33 on: Mar 12, 2008, 08:31:34 PM »
Does this make you the "IT" girl? ;D

I thought that was TPT?

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« Reply #34 on: Mar 12, 2008, 09:39:02 PM »
I thought that was TPT?
For our purposes, and our forum, "it" 's Jenford. At least until natnot starts staying in cupboards again, I.T. Boy... ;)
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