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Perfect Forum Reel
« on: Jan 07, 2004, 01:40:00 AM »
Lets write a fiddle tune - 1 bar each - first come first served - I started it as shown below in abc format. Whose next?

X:1
T:Perfect Fourm
R:Reel
S:By Floyd and ...
M:4/4
L:1/8
Q:1/2=80
K:Em
|gfeg fB B/2B/2B|
« Last Edit: Jan 22, 2004, 03:16:14 PM by Mark Cordova »

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Re:Lets write a fiddle tune
« Reply #1 on: Jan 07, 2004, 04:25:21 PM »
What great fun Floyd! Here are my additions. I can't wait for more.
 :happy: :happy: :happy: :happy: :happy: :happy: :happy: :happy:

X:1
T:Perfect Fourm
R:Reel
S:By Floyd, Mark C and ......
L:1/8
Q:1/2=80
K:Em
|gfeg fB B/2B/2B|edce dB B/2B/2B|~c2 ec ~B2 dB|  

 

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Re:Lets write a fiddle tune
« Reply #2 on: Jan 07, 2004, 05:21:48 PM »
Here's a quick explaination of the abc format.

X:1 ---------------- Just means this is tune number 1

T:Perfect Fourm  -This is the title

R:Reel ------------- The type of rythm

S:By Floyd, Mark C and.. -- The source of the tune

L:1/8 -------------------------- Default note length which means that any note that does not have a number after it is 1/8th note

Q:1/2=80 is the speed of the tune (80 1/2notes per second)

K:Emin - The key is E minor or at least it has the same key signiture as E minor

After that you have the actual tune. Vertical lines are bar lines. The notes on the fiddle starting at open G string are written as follows:

G, A, B, C    - G string notes (Note the coma on the first 3)

D E F G       - D string notes (Upper case)

A B c d        - A string notes (Switch to lower case at c)

 e f g a        - e string notes


To make a note shorter by half add /2 so in the tune in this post B/2 is a 1/16th note. (Played on the a string caus it is upper case B)

To make a note twice as long add a 2 after the note (3 times as long add a 3) - so in the above tune B2 means a quarter note (Twice as long as the default length 1/8)

To make a note sharp add ^ before the note ie ^c means c sharp played on the A string (lower case)

To make a note flat add _ (Underscore) ie - _B means B flat played on the A string.

So ^c2 means c sharp quarter note played on the A string.

Sooooo -- to add to the tune above you just copy and paste what is there into notepad or anyother text editor and add some notes as described above and then put a vertical bar at the end to indicate the end of the bar. To test out what you wrote drop it into the box at the web site mentioned above and it will convert it to standard notation and also play it for you.

Hope this helps.
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Re:Lets write a fiddle tune
« Reply #3 on: Jan 07, 2004, 05:23:55 PM »
X:1
T:Perfect Fourm
R:Reel
S:By Floyd, Mark C and ......
L:1/8
Q:1/2=60
K:Em
|gfeg fB B/2B/2B|edce dB B/2B/2B|~c2 ec ~B2 dB|ABcd egfd|

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Re:Lets write a fiddle tune
« Reply #4 on: Jan 07, 2004, 06:19:06 PM »
Another note about the format -  You may be wondering why some notes are close together and some have spaces between then. This is only to indicate to programs that convert to standard format what you would like the grouping to be.

|edce dB B/2B/2B| will sound the same as
|e d c e dB B/2 B/2 B|

but the first one will look nicer when converted to standard notation by the abc converter program.

Notes that are side by side are beamed together notes with spaces between them are not.

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Re:Lets write a fiddle tune
« Reply #5 on: Jan 07, 2004, 06:35:51 PM »
well come on mark tell us how it works this abc format

Go here for everything you want to know about abc:  http://www.gre.ac.uk/~c.walshaw/abc/ (this is the abc home page and has links to tutorials, etc.).  

This is a great idea, Floyd; I'll contribute when I get a chance to sit down with the fiddle.  Does anyone else think the first 2 measures should repeat at this point (I haven't played the tune yet, I'm just reading the abc & hearing it in my head, so I may be wrong)? -Steve

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Re:Lets write a fiddle tune
« Reply #6 on: Jan 07, 2004, 06:36:59 PM »
Ok, I think I have it! Its almost the same thing, but I made way for the part B! ;)

X:1
T:Perfect Fourm
R:Reel
S:By Floyd, Mark C, Jack T and ......
L:1/8
Q:1/2=60
K:Em
|:gfeg fB B/2B/2B|edce dB B/2B/2B|~c2 ec ~B2 dB|ABcd egfd:|


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Re:Lets write a fiddle tune
« Reply #7 on: Jan 07, 2004, 06:59:22 PM »
Hey, I was having system problems and typed up a starter tutorial. Here it is.

ABC lesson #1

X:1
T:Perfect Fourm
R:Reel
S:By Floyd, Mark C and ......
L:1/8
Q:1/2=80
K:Em
|gfeg fB B/2B/2B|edce dB B/2B/2B|~c2 ec ~B2 dB|  


and paste it here
http://www.concertina.net/tunes_convert.html

It will actually produce sheet music and a temp midi file you can listen to. Print the sheet music and compare it the text Floyd and I started.

ABC lesson 2
Break down the data

X:1
I believe that this means it is the first tune in the abc book. Our "book" is one tune long.

T:Perfect Fourm
This line will show up as the title to the tune.

R:Reel
This line does several things to the converters. If establishes the 4/8 time and dictates how fast the player will play it. A hornpipe would be played much slower.

S:By Floyd, Mark C and ......
Author field

L:1/8
Default length of a note. Let's use the open A srting which is represented by the character A ... If I typed the note A into the text it would show up as an eighth note because that is the default length of the note.

This symbol will create a sixtenth note /2A - notice that we specify the note. I hope I don't get too techi here but /2A means take default value and divide the following note by 2. A2 means take the A for a duration of 2 times the default value.  

There you go. Those are the lengths of notes.

Q:1/2=80
Tempo modifier. Floyd suggested that each half note have a duration of 80   A good learning tempo.

K:Em
Key of tune. This provides the default for the tune. Any deviations in the sharps or flats must be notated in the music. Nothing new there.

"^A" = A sharp "=A"  = A natural "_A" = A flat  


|gfeg fB B/2B/2B|edce dB B/2B/2B|~c2 ec ~B2 dB|  
Ive already described a little about the notes. The above line is the actual music as qualified by the all the lines above it.
The pipe or "|" is a measure break. You can use double pipes for the end of phrases "||".    Here are some repeats,  ":|" ":||". How about the repeat from here "||:"  Those tildes are special characters that divide the following note into a five note roll.

Those are the basics but if you read music this syntax comes very quickly.

ABC lesson 3
Starting from the F just below the G string and walking up the scale, here is how the notes are posted within the ABC's

F,  G,  A,  B,  C  D  E  F  G  A  B  c  d  e  f  g  a  b  c'  d'  e'  f'

"G," is the open G string. don't forget the comma.
"D" is the open D string.
"A" is the open A string.
"e" is the open E string.

Hopefully you can start to see what we have done thus far.

I learned ABC's in a few hours by downloading some software and trying to type in a tune.  

follow this link to a resource of ABC information.

http://www.thesession.org/links/display.php/6

I recommend that you download the ABC software from this site.
http://abc2win.com/

There are all kinds of help screens including a "quick ABC help" which is all I use anymore to do anything. The "quick ABC help" is available when I am editing the music.

I believe that you can use just about any type of notation you wish by finding the syntax in the "quick ABC help" screen. If you get confused or you want me to show how to do something else with the music - let me know. Most of you who read music will probably learn enough in a few minutes to type in your contribution

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Re:Lets write a fiddle tune
« Reply #8 on: Jan 07, 2004, 07:08:10 PM »
Here, I fooled around and added this. Not as fancy as some of you out there, but its my 1st ABC song! ;)

X:1
T:Perfect Fourm
R:Reel
S:By Floyd, Mark C, Jack T and ......
L:1/8
Q:1/2=60
K:Em
|:gfeg fB B/2B/2B|edce dB B/2B/2B|~c2 ec ~B2 dB|ABcd egfd:|
|:Bbefgab2|ABced DcB:|


(Mark, the songs not DONE yet? ???)
« Last Edit: Jan 07, 2004, 07:10:18 PM by Jack002 »

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Re:Lets write a fiddle tune
« Reply #9 on: Jan 07, 2004, 07:29:15 PM »
Here we go. I'm not touching it again ;D but I like the experiment although our tune  sounds about like a random tune generator might spit out ;)

X:1
T:Perfect Fourm
R:Reel
S:By Floyd, Mark C, Martin, Jack T and ......
L:1/8
Q:1/2=80
K:Em
|:gfeg fB B/2B/2B|edce dB B/2B/2B|~c2 ec ~B2 dB|1 ABcd egfd:|2 ABcd cBAc|
|:Bbef gab2|ABce dDcB|

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Re:Lets write a fiddle tune
« Reply #10 on: Jan 07, 2004, 07:45:45 PM »
ABC lesson 5

Jack asked about double stops, I think. I added on into the tune just for chuckles but don't use this one. Someone else can write chords if they want them.

X:1
T:Perfect Fourm
R:Reel
S:By Floyd, Mark C, Martin, Jack T and ......
L:1/8
Q:1/2=80
K:Em
|:gfeg fB B/2B/2B|edce dB B/2B/2B|~c2 ec ~B2 dB|1 ABcd egfd:|2 ABcd cBAc|
|:Bbef ga[e2b2]|ABce dDcB|




Ok look at this little piece of the tune. [e2b2]    Open e for two times default length of note. The next note in the double stop, b2.  Work your way from low to high as you enter chords.  
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Re:Lets write a fiddle tune
« Reply #11 on: Jan 08, 2004, 12:16:44 AM »
Oh heck - I couldn't resist. Stick this on concertina net.

X:1
T:Perfect Fourm
R:Reel
S:By Floyd, Mark C, Martin, Jack T and ......
L:1/8
Q:1/2=80
K:Em
|:[gb][fa][eg][bg] [fa][Bd] [B/d/][B/d/][Bd]|[eg][df][ce][eg] [df][Bg] [B/2g/2][B/2g/2][Bg]|
|[c2e2] [eg][ce] [g2B2] [Gd][GB]|1 [Ac][Bd][ce][df] [eg][gb][fa][df]:|2 [Ac][Bd][ce][df] [ce][Bd][Ac][ce]|
|:[Be][eb][eg][fa] [gb][ea][e2b2]|[Ae][Be][ce][eg] [Gd][DG][Ac][GB]|
|[B/e/][B/e/][e/b/][e/b/][eg][fa] [gb][ec'][e2b2]|1 [Ae][Be][ce][eg] [eb][fa][gb][eb]:|2 [eb][eg][ce][Be] [B4g4]|    

I'll behave next time. We have twin fiddles now.

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Re:Lets write a fiddle tune
« Reply #12 on: Jan 08, 2004, 12:49:20 AM »
Mark - no need to be knowledgeable to see what we came up with.

copy the following text

X:1
T:Perfect Fourm
R:Reel
S:By Floyd, Mark C, Martin, Jack T and ......
L:1/8
Q:1/2=80
K:Em
|:[gb][fa][eg][bg] [fa][Bd] [B/d/][B/d/][Bd]|[eg][df][ce][eg] [df][Bg] [B/2g/2][B/2g/2][Bg]|
|[c2e2] [eg][ce] [g2B2] [Gd][GB]|1 [Ac][Bd][ce][df] [eg][gb][fa][df]:|2 [Ac][Bd][ce][df] [ce][Bd][Ac][ce]|
|:[Be][eb][eg][fa] [gb][ea][e2b2]|[Ae][Be][ce][eg] [Gd][DG][Ac][GB]|
|[B/e/][B/e/][e/b/][e/b/][eg][fa] [gb][ec'][e2b2]|1 [Ae][Be][ce][eg] [eb][fa][gb][eb]:|2 [eb][eg][ce][Be] [B4g4]|    

follow this link
http://www.concertina.net/tunes_convert.html

paste the text into the big text area concertina net gives and then click the submit button. Give it a moment and you will see the actual sheet music. While you are on that page click the [MIDI music file] option. It is just above the sheet music. In a moment a midi will play all the notes for you.

Let us know how it worked.

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Re:Lets write a fiddle tune
« Reply #13 on: Jan 08, 2004, 01:19:53 AM »
Hey, to make it easier on everyone. I stuck the completed sheet music in a PDF file and the midi out on the site I use to share with everyone here.
Look for the Forum Perfect Reel.


http://www.geocities.com/celtic_fiddler/Main_page.html

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Re:Lets write a fiddle tune
« Reply #14 on: Jan 08, 2004, 01:57:26 AM »
Since someone was asking, just for fun I wrote it out in "real" 2-voice abc; this shows each part as a separate line in case anyone wants to play it with twin fiddles:

X:1
T:Perfect Fourm
R:Reel
M:C
S:By Floyd, Mark C, Martin, Jack T and ......
L:1/8
Q:1/2=80
V:2 volume =100
K:Em
[V:1] |:bagg ad d/d/d|gfeg fg g/2g/2g|!
[V:2] |:gfeg fB B/B/B|edce dB B/B/B|!
%
[V:1] |e2 ge B2 dB|1 cdef gbaf:|2 cdef edce|!
[V:2] |c2 ec g2 GG|1 ABcd egfd:|2 ABcd cBAc|!
%
[V:1] |:ebga bab2|eeeg dGcB|!
[V:2] |:Beef gee2|ABce GDAG|!
%
[V:1] |e/e/b/b/ga bc'b2|1 eeeg babb:|2 bgee g4||!
[V:2] |B/B/e/e/ef gee2|1 ABce efge:|2 eecB B4||!

I also added in the M: (meter) field since some programs (including BarFly, which I use) object if it's not there, and added the !'s at the end of the lines; these force a new staff on printout and are just good practice, if you care where the lines end (the opposite of this is \, which forces multiple abc lines to print on one staff).  Again, good job guys! -Steve

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Re:Lets write a fiddle tune
« Reply #15 on: Jan 08, 2004, 02:15:41 AM »
Right click and save this picture and it will display at the correct size.  ;D



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Re:Lets write a fiddle tune
« Reply #16 on: Jan 08, 2004, 02:47:16 AM »
Congradulations everyone. We did it - and a dam good sound with the twin fiddles and all. It was good enough to listen to more than once.

I added one more field to the header (O:Cyber space).
This field is used for the origin of the tune - usually something like Ireland or Scottland or something and maybe 100 years from now it will be listed in a book somewhere as the first fiddle tune to originate in cyberspace. I also corrected the spelling mistake in the title (oops). And to be a little more correct I changed the S field to A (Auther instead of source)

X:1
T:Perfect Forum
R:Reel
M:C
A:By Floyd, Mark C, Martin, Jack T and ......
O:Cyber space
L:1/8
Q:1/2=80
V:2 volume =100
K:Em
[V:1] |:bagg ad d/d/d|gfeg fg g/2g/2g|!
[V:2] |:gfeg fB B/B/B|edce dB B/B/B|!
%
[V:1] |e2 ge B2 dB|1 cdef gbaf:|2 cdef edce|!
[V:2] |c2 ec g2 GG|1 ABcd egfd:|2 ABcd cBAc|!
%
[V:1] |:ebga bab2|eeeg dGcB|!
[V:2] |:Beef gee2|ABce GDAG|!
%
[V:1] |e/e/b/b/ga bc'b2|1 eeeg babb:|2 bgee g4||!
[V:2] |B/B/e/e/ef gee2|1 ABce efge:|2 eecB B4||!


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Re: Perfect Forum Reel
« Reply #17 on: Sep 24, 2004, 08:59:51 PM »
I'm starting at the back and working forward. I've attached the midi for this tune.

 




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