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Braided Bows Again
« on: Feb 24, 2007, 08:22:04 PM »
I have been reluctant to ask this question for fear of looking like a big dummy.  But with all this talk of the Glasser braided bow, I really am curious... 

I can't see how a braided bow could play smoothly over the strings!  Are just minuscule hairs braided, so tiny that each braided strand acts as one thin piece of hair? Then all the "hairs" assembled onto the bow? 

Just how do these things work?  And what is it about the braids that make them play so nicely?  And the purpose is to make the hair stronger, so that it doesn't break as easily?

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Re: Braided Bows Again
« Reply #1 on: Feb 24, 2007, 08:54:41 PM »
Um, I think by braided, they mean the stick is comprised of braided carbon fibers, not that the strings are braided.

Here is the link to the Glasser bow site:

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Aaannnddd...correct me if I'm wrong...but I think the only dumb question is an un-asked question?  ;)

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« Reply #2 on: Feb 24, 2007, 09:42:28 PM »
Oh..... oops!  I get it now. 

Thanks for the link!   ;D

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Re: Braided Bows Again
« Reply #3 on: Feb 24, 2007, 09:50:33 PM »
yup, Dave got it-- cool looking sticks, kind of like snake skin almost. The fellow used regular horse hair to rehair the DW's.
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Re: Braided Bows Again
« Reply #4 on: Feb 24, 2007, 09:53:34 PM »
Take no notice Diddlypoo. You can get braided horsehair for your bow or you can have nice colours.

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« Reply #5 on: Feb 24, 2007, 10:00:14 PM »
Eh, yeah, you can get a braided haired bow. Like this:



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« Reply #6 on: Feb 24, 2007, 10:26:20 PM »
Oh ho!  SO!  She strikes with a bow!

Nyaw-aw-awwww!   ooo!  That mischievous martoon and that sting-Ing Inguin!  New partners in crime!  Nyaw-aw-awww!

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Re: Braided Bows Again
« Reply #7 on: Feb 25, 2007, 02:46:30 AM »
D'oh go ahead and laugh ..... but I was "hairing" one of my "odd" bows here, and was doing it in fine pink fishing line.

The line I first was experimenting  with was a braided line :

http://www.campbellsprotackle.com/store/product.asp?ID=154

Its supposed to run real smooth on a fishing rod/reel so I thought I had to try it as bow hair ( I was thinking the braiding would hold rosin better, like the scales on hair) ..... I was wrong! but I don't think it was the braiding .. the line is so full of silicon NOTHING will stick to it  ;D ;D

But it was very very smooth stuff. Just wish I could get it without the silicon impregnation. Never got round to looking for better stuff :( yet.

But that stuff is ..... each hair is braided. :o

If you are interested in synthetic substitutes for hair ... heres a real quick primer on some available "hair" strands ...
http://www.ask-about-fishing.com/2007/01/21/fishing-with-the-right-line/. Mono - Braided  -semi braided  :o

I'd like to do my Braided CF with braided hair one day, seiously, the stuff is a smooth as "butter and as each strand is much more "limp" than hair or momofilament I wondered how it would feel?? Just have the find one that will accept rosin!! :(

So go ahead and laugh you "mockers" .... I had a bow with "braided" hair!! ...... its just it was useless >:( ;D ;D

zaivanbuijs ... thats a gem!   did you do that? ;D ;D
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Re: Braided Bows Again
« Reply #8 on: Feb 25, 2007, 02:59:23 AM »
Andrew was the first person who told me the difference between carbon fiber and carbon graphite

he's very knowledgeable about bows

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« Reply #9 on: Feb 25, 2007, 05:21:39 AM »
D'oh go ahead and laugh ..... but I was "hairing" one of my "odd" bows here, and was doing it in fine pink fishing line.

The line I first was experimenting  with was a braided line :

So go ahead and laugh you "mockers" .... I had a bow with "braided" hair!! ...... its just it was useless >:( ;D ;D


I'm shocked now!  You can't be serious!   :o  You really are experimenting with braided hairs?  Good plan!   ;D

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« Reply #10 on: Feb 25, 2007, 05:24:55 AM »

zaivanbuijs ... thats a gem!   did you do that? ;D ;D

Yeah...  How'd you do that?   :o  Huh?  What's the frog-end like?   :-\  And how does it play?  (sound...)   8)

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« Reply #11 on: Feb 25, 2007, 05:29:50 AM »
Andrew was the first person who told me the difference between carbon fiber and carbon graphite

he's very knowledgeable about bows

Who is "Andrew" and what is the difference between carbon graphite and carbon fiber?   :-\

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« Reply #12 on: Feb 25, 2007, 06:28:41 AM »
I'm shocked now!  You can't be serious!   :o  You really are experimenting with braided hairs?  Good plan!   ;D

Was experimenting with ;D ;D 

But like I said I think I just got the wrong fishing line, the one I got was coated with some heavily silicon impregnated finish. Its hard to tell cos one normally doesn't get much help from the fishing store as the fact that it has a silicon coating doesn't usually matter to them, and its hard to admit that you are buying it to "hair up a violin bow" .... I don't know about where you are from, but here fishing shops are the domain of the "male" males  ;D ;D ;D ( men's men!!, salty old dogs of the sea!!, lumberjacks!!)
and I do/must adopt that persona at times, as I fish, so I did not therefore want to mar my image by asking for "things for a violin", in which case I would have been identified as a "big girls blouse"  ;D ;D

Actually is it more acceptable, in "MACHO" circles, to say I play a Fiddle??  does have more of a "knock about, hillbilly about town" ring to it  ;D ;D .... or should I just keep up my fabricated story alluding to a need to catch a white pointer  on a fly line??   ;D :D

Some day I do want to try the "braided" line as hairs again, at least I know better what requirements I need in a line  ;) Was not cheap stuff either  ::)

Oh and I do have a braided CF rod bow its a real good general bow. I'd recommend everyone should have at least one. This cheapy one ...:
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130054691164&ssPageName=ADME:B:EOIBSA:AU:31

I use it a lot lately, it doesn't have the "crispness" of my Pernambuco one but its the next best thing I've got.
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Re: Braided Bows Again
« Reply #13 on: Feb 25, 2007, 10:11:37 AM »
Oh dear!

"White pointer on a fly line"   ;D

 8)  Pronto  This calls for the "Tumultuous Team"   :D

AHA!  With mine hobnobin' amalgamate... (The Diddler, Electro, Martoon, and The Inguin)... Justice shall prevail...  (or should I say that un-just-ness rules?  Bwah-hah-hah-hah-uh-hum!   :P




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Re: Braided Bows Again
« Reply #14 on: Feb 25, 2007, 11:43:20 AM »
What's the frog-end like?   :-\  And how does it play?  (sound...)   8)
Here's the "frog" end:


And it plays nothing like my other braided bow does,it doesn't hold rosin well and it has some odd bownoises. Here is a recorded sample.


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Re: Braided Bows Again
« Reply #15 on: Feb 25, 2007, 11:54:52 AM »
Dang me!  That looks like a frog on the end!   ;D

Who/what is that?  Sounds really nice though!   :P

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« Reply #16 on: Feb 25, 2007, 12:21:08 PM »
I think it's one of those fishy looking mammals, not a frog.

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Re: Braided Bows Again
« Reply #17 on: Feb 25, 2007, 12:29:46 PM »
Here's the "frog" end:


And it plays nothing like my other braided bow does,it doesn't hold rosin well and it has some odd bownoises. Here is a recorded sample.



Hey thats not braided! .. I can tell from the recording that its actually twisted,.... and the frog is being held on by the frog!  No a fish !  no a dolphin!  ;D ;D ;D

Looks very angler shop friendly though ..... I wonder if they'd be impressed, with my masculine qualities if I walked in with that to get it rehaired with some spiderwire  :-X :-\

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Re: Braided Bows Again
« Reply #18 on: Feb 25, 2007, 01:27:26 PM »
Nice playing Inge, The Keel Row. I like it, but surely The Tailor's Twist would have been more appropriate ;D

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« Reply #19 on: Feb 25, 2007, 01:34:44 PM »
So...  You have bound a dolphin to your bow?  How could you?

(Nyaw-aw-awwww)   ;D

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« Reply #20 on: Feb 25, 2007, 01:36:00 PM »
I like it, but surely The Tailor's Twist would have been more appropriate ;D
It would be if Transport were right, but it's actually braided not twisted, see:



It's actually not easy to keep it parralel to the bridge. Perhaps if it were not braided but more like  a woven ribbon. Might make for even weirder bownoises :)

So...  You have bound a dolphin to your bow?  How could you?

(Nyaw-aw-awwww)   ;D


Easy
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« Reply #21 on: Feb 25, 2007, 01:43:56 PM »
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So...  You have bound a dolphin to your bow?  How could you?

She may have a Dolphin bow, but she's also got a fiddle Tuna ;D  >:D

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« Reply #22 on: Feb 25, 2007, 01:46:42 PM »
She may have a Dolphin bow, but she's also got a fiddle Tuna ;D  >:D
Well, I did make sure the tuna was cought in a dolphin friendly manner...

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« Reply #23 on: Feb 25, 2007, 08:11:08 PM »
The INGuin...LOVE IT!!!!
But beware!
MatMan may report you to the PETAF people (that's People for the Ethical Treament of Action Figures).

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« Reply #24 on: Feb 25, 2007, 08:22:08 PM »
Quote from: Rosin
MatMan may report you to the PETAF people (that's People for the Ethical Treament of Action Figures).
Oooo help, now I'm scared!!!   ;D  >:D



Can't think of a more ethical treatment of action figures then playing with them, actually.

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« Reply #25 on: Feb 25, 2007, 10:28:39 PM »
It would be if Transport were right, but it's actually braided not twisted, see:

I was purely going on the assumption that NOBODY would be crazy enough to spend the time to "braid" their bow ..... I stand corrected  ;D ;D ;D


Actually I expected it to play in a rather "warbled" manner, I'm a bit surprised it actually didn't. :o


"Free the dolphin" ..... I'm against Dutch seamen, who parade around the seas with  a dead dolphin strapped to their bow!   >:( >:D ;D

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Re: Braided Bows Again
« Reply #26 on: Feb 25, 2007, 10:53:13 PM »
Martyn, that first photo looks suspiciously like a young girl's braids.  Please tell me they aren't from your daughter.

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« Reply #27 on: Feb 25, 2007, 11:24:37 PM »
Transport, thank you for the nice compliments. I'm not sure which of the two I value more; being called nobody or being called crazy.

I think it's the being called crazy bit 


.... ;D ....

I must however defend the reputation of my fellow Dutch citizens, the dolphin is alive and well, as you can see. It had a great laugh with it all, see, it's still grinning:




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« Reply #28 on: Feb 26, 2007, 01:05:40 AM »
AH-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA!   >:D

WHY YOU VILE, E-VIE-ULLL INGuine!   >:D  Mwahahahahahaha!!!  You're not fooling ME!  What have you REALLY done to that defenseless little dolphin?

Nyaw-aw-awwwww!  >:D 

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« Reply #29 on: Feb 26, 2007, 01:30:20 AM »
What do you mean? Can't you tell it's happily lounging around on a pillow in the sun phone-flash ?

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« Reply #30 on: Feb 26, 2007, 01:31:05 AM »
He's not alive!!  ...... he's stone dead!!   ..........  ;D ;D ;D

Edit in after:  That was meant to be a reference to an old Monty Python "parrot" skit. Maybe not everyone remembers this  ;(   ;D


Oh and I am most definitely not calling you a NOBODY   I think you have quite clearly identified yourself as a "stand out". ;D ;D ;D,

In reference to the Dutch Seamen ... I am also beginning to wonder if indeed Texel was once an island inhabited by dutch pirates, and maybe your weekend on Texel converted you to acts of dolphin depravity and bow barbarity. :( >:( ;D

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« Reply #31 on: Feb 26, 2007, 01:35:55 AM »
He's not alive!!  ...... he's stone dead!!   ..........  ;D ;D ;D

Dead, as in, this dolphin is no more, has kicked the bucket, is pushing up some daisies????

I can assure you, it is NOT DEAD!!




We all know it is an inanimate object, it is NOT DEAD, it was NEVER ALIVE in the first place

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« Reply #32 on: Feb 26, 2007, 01:41:26 AM »
haha yes you knew of it before my edit even went up LOL

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« Reply #33 on: Feb 26, 2007, 01:46:39 AM »
MatMan may report you to the PETAF people (that's People for the Ethical Treament of Action Figures).
What is it to "Trea" an action figure? Not in MY four letter word dict! ;D

To clarify things a little, my jurisdiction does not extend into Europe, even Alaska is stretching things a little. ;)

Remember, they have legal marijuana, comfort women and bizarre pr0n there (Holland)! :P
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« Reply #34 on: Feb 26, 2007, 01:48:33 AM »
haha yes you knew of it before my edit even went up LOL
Usually Python is very much a "guy" thing (like the Three Stooges) but those Dutch women are quite different! ;)
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« Reply #35 on: Feb 26, 2007, 02:08:11 AM »

To clarify things a little, my jurisdiction does not extend into Europe,


NYAW-AW-AWWWW!  Togeth-uh, INGuin, then WE SHALL RULE THE WORLD!

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« Reply #36 on: Feb 26, 2007, 02:09:50 AM »
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And it plays nothing like my other braided bow does,it doesn't hold rosin well and it has some odd bownoises.

You probably have to use sonar to hear all of them...


...like, that poor dolphin calling for help...
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« Reply #37 on: Feb 26, 2007, 02:11:56 AM »
What do you mean? Can't you tell it's happily lounging around on a pillow in the sun phone-flash ?

Looks way TOO happy.  How much are you paying that imposter stunt-double?

Someone better send up the Mat-signal, check the sonar, that poor dolphin caught in that bow-hairnet is still crying for help!!!
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« Reply #38 on: Feb 26, 2007, 02:15:13 AM »
Nyaw-nya-nyaaak!!!  Yah, that's right Diddler, there'll be no stopping us!!!



Looks way TOO happy.  How much are you paying that imposter stunt-double?

Someone better send up the Mat-signal, check the sonar, that poor dolphin caught in that bow-hairnet is still crying for help!!!

Aha, someone is on to my deception, ah well, it doesn't matter. We're safely out of Matman and Rosin's juristriction  >:D  >:D  >:D


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« Reply #39 on: Feb 26, 2007, 02:16:00 AM »
Someone better send up the Mat-signal, check the sonar, that poor dolphin caught in that bow-hairnet is still crying for help!!!
Better call Greenpeace, then... MATman isn't sailing the MATboat to die Netherlandse 'less I get some sponsorship on the fuel costs! ;)
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« Reply #40 on: Feb 26, 2007, 02:17:10 AM »
Oh no!  Even the stunt double was under duress!
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« Reply #41 on: Feb 26, 2007, 02:19:49 AM »
Oh no!  Even the stunt double was under duress!


How do you mean "WAS"?   >:D  >:D  >:D

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« Reply #42 on: Feb 26, 2007, 02:23:20 AM »
Oh look the one caught in the bowhairs is getting away!  Go dolphin go!  Go rescue your friend!  He needs all the help he can get, since the Matman is ducking his responsibilities.... 
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« Reply #43 on: Feb 26, 2007, 02:26:34 AM »
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« Reply #44 on: Feb 26, 2007, 02:32:48 AM »
Oh look the one caught in the bowhairs is getting away!  Go dolphin go!  Go rescue your friend!  He needs all the help he can get, since the Matman is ducking his responsibilities.... 

Thanks for the warning  >:D Nyaw-nya-neyeeeeaak!!!



They're not getting away THAT easily!!!  >:D  ;D  >:D

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« Reply #45 on: Feb 26, 2007, 02:39:05 AM »
That looks very uncomfortable. 

Inguin no matter how cleverly evil I still can't see how dolphins duck-taping dolphins to the back of your fiddle would makes any sort of a shoulder rest. Uncomfortable bruises on your shoulders will repay you for your evil ways!!!!!!

or... you could just be nice and let them go....


edit:  well at least those are dolphins, not children, taped to the back of your fiddle...
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« Reply #46 on: Feb 26, 2007, 02:53:01 AM »
Jen, you shock me, I would never ducktape anything to my fiddle. What would the glue do to the varnish?   :o

I stuck 'm on the back of a shiping crate stamped Alaska of course  >:D

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« Reply #47 on: Feb 26, 2007, 03:00:43 AM »
Couldn't harm the fiddle any worse hair-braiding and rubber-banding dolphins would harm the bow....

(...and with such a poorly finished fiddle as that one, why would you care?)
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« Reply #48 on: Feb 26, 2007, 07:18:34 AM »

I stuck 'm on the back of a shiping crate stamped Alaska of course  >:D

You're sending 'm to MY juRISTRICTION?  ha.  aha.  Ha.  Haha.  Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-HAH-HA-HAH-HAH-HAH!   >:D

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« Reply #49 on: Feb 26, 2007, 09:26:41 AM »
I wouldn't get too cocky there Zai .... they're teaching them to speak!!

http://speakdolphin.com/
http://kolfeature.aol.com/activity/index.html


oooww and this one tells us what dolphins sound like, and what sounds they like:

http://www.pr.mq.edu.au/macnews/showitem.asp?ItemID=112

wonder what they thought of a braided bow?

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« Reply #50 on: Feb 26, 2007, 11:23:10 AM »
Free Willy Now!!!!!
The Jacques Cousteau Society has been notified and the Calypso is making way to Texel even as we speak....

Faint strains of John Denver playing in the background ..."Aye Calypso the places you've been to....."

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« Reply #51 on: Feb 26, 2007, 11:49:20 AM »
Its in her blood!!

we can't change her. it's the dutch pirate in her ..... the dutch were the first europeans to find the coast of western australia ( new holland ):
http://www.duyfken.com/
where they have lots of lovely tame dolphins:
http://www.monkeymiadolphins.org/

obviously their need to torture dolphins drove them in search of new seas with new pods of dolphins for the taping.

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« Reply #52 on: Feb 26, 2007, 05:06:56 PM »
So that's where Capt Jack Sparrow ended up!

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« Reply #53 on: Mar 23, 2007, 06:35:01 PM »
codabow has the diamong series, which is braided now.

 




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