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To rest or not to rest that is a question
« on: Nov 05, 2006, 09:31:17 PM »
Alright things got a little far flung and off topic so here you go a rant topic for one and all ;D
One size doesn't fit all and sometimes less (or none) is more. Done it different ways took a liking to these Bonmusica's for a problematic fit instrument that won't work with absolutely nothing. Finding that I liked it I bought another one for an instrument that doesn't require it or even any rest.

I think I may have had a Bonmusica on my shoulder once, but it must not have given me much of an epiphany, I hardly remember.

So did you have an ultra low profile (height wise; no rest or sponge rest being unfeasible) and somewhat narrowed (across the width) electric like a Bridge Aquila that requires either this unit or a modified standard rest like the Madfiddler does it?

Oh yeah I remember you have a Jordan with the built in/custom rest, right?

Oh well if you have a standard measurement instrument almost anything

or even no rest can work

You can even get by with a folded towel or wash cloth (I have done that one)

Okay knock yourselves out...
« Last Edit: Nov 05, 2006, 10:11:05 PM by Alan Kroeger »
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To rest or not to rest that is a question
« Reply #1 on: Nov 05, 2006, 09:54:32 PM »
It was somebody else's standard acoustic violin, if I remember right. The DW's Jordan has its own bolted-on rest, as you say. The only other non-standard fiddle I have access to is the Carruth cornerless edgeless "vidola" with a 16" body and scale length of a 15.5" viola. The only one that really works well on that is the Comford, cause it doesn't need edges to grab onto.

I don't like to play for more than a minute or two without a shoulder rest. If it comes to that, I roll up a washcloth around the fiddle, or stuff it under my shirt.
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To rest or not to rest that is a question
« Reply #2 on: Nov 05, 2006, 10:01:22 PM »
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I am not sure but I think Perlman uses that trick perhaps we should have a thread on rests versus no rest and what instrument needs what rest in a separate topic?

I can separate the off topic replies (like mine here) to a new topic and leave the on topic replies there, if you like? Oh Well split the topic too late
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Re: To rest or not to rest that is a question
« Reply #3 on: Nov 05, 2006, 10:13:41 PM »
She asked if anyone used a Bonmusica. I used one briefly once, and found it was nice but not necessary. My nominal build allows me a lot of freedom, and so the "nice but not necessary" bit may only apply to yours truly and others in a similar condition.

Not much more to add to a rest / restless thread than that. Someone wants to start such a topic, go ahead on.
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Re: To rest or not to rest that is a question
« Reply #4 on: Nov 05, 2006, 10:16:22 PM »
Not much more to add to a rest / restless thread than that. Someone wants to start such a topic, go ahead on.
Already split and left your previous reply over there :)
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Re: To rest or not to rest that is a question
« Reply #5 on: Nov 05, 2006, 10:19:49 PM »
How do I get the feeling that you've seen more than one shoulder rest "discussion" come and go?

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Re: To rest or not to rest that is a question
« Reply #6 on: Nov 05, 2006, 10:23:27 PM »
I have two acoustic fiddles. On the one I call my best fiddle I use a Kun type shoulder rest set to it's minimum height. My second fiddle has very high arching compared to my best fiddle, I find that any shoulder rest is too much to get my chin over. I just prefer a thick cloth draped over the chin rest to keep the hard edges from digging into my neck and shoulder.

I've never tried a wash cloth, that sounds like a good idea. It was also suggested to me that a chamois leather was good for this purpose.

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Re: To rest or not to rest that is a question
« Reply #7 on: Nov 05, 2006, 10:27:23 PM »
"To rest or not to rest"

Alan, you just had to go and stir up the masses.  This topic is almost as bad as politics or religion.   ;D  You rabble-rouser, you!

Foam pad for me, nicely covered in "symphony black" with black elastic straps to attach it.

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Re: To rest or not to rest that is a question
« Reply #8 on: Nov 05, 2006, 10:29:40 PM »
I've never tried a wash cloth, that sounds like a good idea. It was also suggested to me that a chamois leather was good for this purpose.
Hmm yeah chamois would work can't see why not plus it would be softer and possibly easier on the instrument finish...

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Re: To rest or not to rest that is a question
« Reply #9 on: Nov 05, 2006, 10:32:59 PM »
"To rest or not to rest"

Alan, you just had to go and stir up the masses.  This topic is almost as bad as politics or religion.   ;D  You rabble-rouser, you!
No not me too rigidly structured to go off topic that easily (no anarchist here) ;D

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Should be fine, can't see why not, just add to it till the height is where you want it or subtract if need be
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Re: To rest or not to rest that is a question
« Reply #10 on: Nov 05, 2006, 10:37:54 PM »
On the one I call my best fiddle I use a Kun type shoulder rest set to it's minimum height...
Yes, but what *kind* of Kun? The plastic or wood, collapsible or non-? ;)

I've had luck with the collapsible plastic ones, low at the shoulder but high at the collarbone.
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Re: To rest or not to rest that is a question
« Reply #11 on: Nov 05, 2006, 10:41:30 PM »
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Foam pad for me, nicely covered in "symphony black" with black elastic straps to attach it.

When I bought my best fiddle I went over budget and could not afford a decent shoulder rest  ::) so I borrowed one of those pads that secure with rubber bands. I was very alarmed to find that after only a couple of weeks the bands were leaving marks on the back of the fiddle. Even now, years later, I can see the marks where the bands used to rub.

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« Reply #12 on: Nov 05, 2006, 10:43:00 PM »
How do I get the feeling that you've seen more than one shoulder rest "discussion" come and go?
ROTF oh yeah that and hyper sensitive discussion on rosin and anything one can imagine, it's almost like religious discussions... phew! ;D

Must have known it was time for a ranter seeing how many replies there are (sixth sense and all that you know) ;)
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Re: To rest or not to rest that is a question
« Reply #13 on: Nov 05, 2006, 10:44:12 PM »
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Yes, but what *kind* of Kun? The plastic or wood, collapsible or non-?

Plastic with foam rubber. Note that I said Kun "type", it's a cheap chinese copy for the reason I stated in my last post.

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Re: To rest or not to rest that is a question
« Reply #14 on: Nov 05, 2006, 10:49:16 PM »
I also use the inexpensive variety too, they work..

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Eight tiny dollars, and depending on getting the particular height you like, work just fine. ;)

Err well rubber on the feet looks a bit skimpy but still......
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Re: To rest or not to rest that is a question
« Reply #15 on: Nov 05, 2006, 11:45:18 PM »
Ok, since my reply to Heidi in the thread that got this started didn't get moderated over... 

Standard plastic Kun adjustible, I have two, one lives with the Hellmer since it has a narrow body and high arch and one for the other two flatter arched violins.  I keep it as low as feasable, to the point were I put a felt "chair foot" pad on it the one for the Hellmer to protect the back of the violin:


I grew up using a sponge and have tried on occasion to do the "no rest" thing, but don't quite have it down.  It's especially difficult for me with higher arching.

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« Reply #16 on: Nov 05, 2006, 11:55:46 PM »
Ok, since my reply to Heidi in the thread that got this started didn't get moderated over... 
Removing yours would have ruined the contextual flow of the topic so it stayed put. :)
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« Reply #17 on: Nov 05, 2006, 11:56:44 PM »
Alan, don't be offended, but I think of that minimal Resonans as a scratch-o-matic looking for a target. Hey, if it works for you, that's why they're still selling them.
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« Reply #18 on: Nov 06, 2006, 12:04:25 AM »
...would have ruined the contextual flow ... :)
Yep Alan, 'cause I was giving my uniformed opinion on the Bonmusica - I did wonder why I got jumped on, since by the time I was back, I never saw the digression I inspired.

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« Reply #19 on: Nov 06, 2006, 12:05:39 AM »
Shoulder rest, schmoulder rest. I've got a Kun collapsible, but it almost never gets used.  I spent too many years without one, so now anything else feels awkward.  I mainly bought the Kun to use with my old thin bodied Strados, but found that it's just more trouble than it's worth. I've had the Resonans in the past, and found it just as annoying.  My NS fiddle has removable shoulder rest that pivots on two axis', and it is essential that it gets used in order to hold up the instrument.  While easily the most most adjustable and comfortable shoulder rest I've used, the height adjustment  doesn't go as low as I would prefer.  I've contacted NS about this, and they said they are working on something that may remedy this, but it's only in the planning stages.

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« Reply #20 on: Nov 06, 2006, 12:26:54 AM »
Yep Alan, 'cause I was giving my uniformed opinion on the Bonmusica - I did wonder why I got jumped on, since by the time I was back, I never saw the digression I inspired.
You didn't get jumped on, didn't I put a smiley in the post, I was just concerned how it could go. But we can all have fun once again now that I split the topic :)
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Re: To rest or not to rest that is a question
« Reply #21 on: Nov 06, 2006, 12:28:13 AM »
I have apparently no neck at all, 'cause I can't even use a tall chin rest, much less a shoulder rest.  Some people say the neck is rather stiff as well, but that's another subject.

About all I ever use is a folded bandanna stuffed under my shirt when I'm playing in just a t-shirt (and britches, of course - shoes optional).  

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« Reply #22 on: Nov 06, 2006, 12:35:12 AM »
Still glad I got rid of the rests (about two years ago that was I think). Been trying different things before that and never managed to get comfortable untill I ditched the rests.  
Today I played a friends fiddle and didn't bother to take off the shoulderrest, it was really awkward. Didn't play long like that. And even with the shoulderrest off, a chinrest feels "in the way" as well to me.

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« Reply #23 on: Nov 06, 2006, 12:39:24 AM »
For those wishing to decline the heresy of the non-Kun camp, there are clones that are cheaper and work about as well. "Muco" and "Artino" come to mind, but a lot of stuff in this mind is blowin' in the wind.

Zai, I dare not go without a chinrest, since I sometimes go a couple or three days between shaves, and somebody close to me says I feel like sandpaper that way. I'm told that sandpaper and violins don't mix very well. (hey, Mr Moderator, I feel a nother thread fork coming on: ;D sandpaper innovation or scraper and shark skin tradition)
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« Reply #24 on: Nov 06, 2006, 01:52:04 AM »
I have apparently no neck at all, 'cause I can't even use a tall chin rest, much less a shoulder rest.
See now that is one of the real justifications for not using one at all. Now for some they might even need a tall rest just to be able to play...
I probably fall right in the middle here as when I was younger I got exposure and found no rest at all was possible. These days I find my neck bothers me from needing to apply energy to maintain a grip at all. A sponge, towel or any other possibility could be made to work but the shoulder rest is a nice one stop solution for me.
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