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Re: Review: Perfection Planetary Pegs
« Reply #25 on: Aug 01, 2006, 02:59:55 PM »
I've been waiting for somebody like Steve to chime in here... I suspect it depends on your tolerance for "fat" pegs. I don't know what the canonical limit is, (where you need to put bushings and start skinnier,) but looking at the pegs installed, and remembering that the threads are nowhere near as coarse as a pipe thread, I suspect that things would still be OK after you cleaned up the holes...

Just for reference, the diameter of the G peg on the nearest fiddle with planetary pegs, right at the pegbox cheek, is 8,30 mm or a skosh less, not as small as 8,27 mm. To my (only slightly educated) eye that says you could put in one more set of wooden pegs or so, before a bushing job. I'll go searching to see what the heavy hitters have to say about peg diameter...
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Re: Review: Perfection Planetary Pegs
« Reply #26 on: Aug 01, 2006, 06:57:50 PM »
Other than for vanity's sake, are there any advantages over say, a Wittner tailpiece that I'm just not seeing?  Better tone, easier to tune?  Just seems to me, changing the tailpiece would be cheaper, require less work to install, and yield the same(or better) results.  I like the idea, but not sure I could justify the cost for marginal or no improvement.  Pretty certain I'd be more open minded after trying them for myself, just not sold yet.   Rehairs and string replacement seem to come all too frequently and are much higher up on the priority list.

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Re: Review: Perfection Planetary Pegs
« Reply #27 on: Aug 01, 2006, 07:07:29 PM »
Tailpiece weight will affect the tone and response of an instrument. 

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Re: Review: Perfection Planetary Pegs
« Reply #28 on: Aug 01, 2006, 08:12:45 PM »
I recently installed the Perfection pegs on both my violin and my sons.  It was a fairly straightforward job.  The two reason I installed them were the string afterlength and the tailpiece weight.

I measured the weight of a regular tailpiece (15 g), a rather cheap integrated (Wittner type) tailpiece (27 g) and one fine tuner (7 g).

Not too long ago there was a lengthy discussion on the this board about the string afterlength (bridge to tailpiece distance).  I measured my violin and, with the fine tuner(s) in place there did not seem to be any reasonable way to obtain the 1/6 distance specified as normal (1/6 of the string distance from the nut to bridge) with fine tuners in place.  The integrated (Wittner type) tailpiece does solve this problem but the added weight (10-12 g, a little less the double the weight of a regular tailpiece) did not seem desirable.  Therefore the Prefection pegs did offer a reasonable solution.

I ask Gary Byers, the Knilling/Prefection Pegs representative, what the weight of the Prefection pegs were.  He indicated that they were about the same as regular pegs.  In reality my regular pegs weighed in at about 5 g each and the Prefection pegs weighed in at 7 g each.  So the Prefection pegs are heavier but this weight is somewhat static weight on the scroll versus what I would call dynamic weight on the tailpiece.

In terms of tuning, the Prefection pegs work just fine -- as do fine tuners and regular pegs -- when you get accustomed to any of them.

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Re: Review: Perfection Planetary Pegs
« Reply #29 on: Aug 01, 2006, 08:38:58 PM »
What about the composite Wittner tailpiece with ingrated tuners? Any idea what that weighs in comparison to a standard tailpiece?  They make two versions, the metal one being cheaper and more common, and not as lightweight. 

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Re: Review: Perfection Planetary Pegs
« Reply #30 on: Aug 01, 2006, 08:51:04 PM »
If someone else has a composite Wittner to weigh, that would be interesting. 

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Re: Review: Perfection Planetary Pegs
« Reply #31 on: Aug 02, 2006, 01:34:01 AM »
Composite Wittner is just right usually.  I might remember to weigh one.  Removing a tiny bit of material in just the right spot makes it work very very well on most violins.

I don't see any advantage of the Perfection Pegs for those who like the Wittner tailpiece and maintain their pegs perfectly.  I rarely see well maintained pegs coming in.


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Re: Review: Perfection Planetary Pegs
« Reply #32 on: Aug 02, 2006, 05:15:27 AM »
How do you maintain pegs?

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Re: Review: Perfection Planetary Pegs
« Reply #33 on: Aug 02, 2006, 01:27:38 PM »
Lube and oil change every 3000 miles? :)

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Re: Review: Perfection Planetary Pegs
« Reply #34 on: Aug 02, 2006, 05:46:12 PM »
How do you maintain pegs?

Fit.  Lubrication.  Trimming ends as they come out.  Often go out of round a little or get too tight at one end or the other.  No biggie, but generally gets neglected.  Best thing is to twiddle them regularly.  A problem with steel strings and fine tuners. Pegs don't get used enough, go out of round, stick in the holes.

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Re: Review: Perfection Planetary Pegs
« Reply #35 on: Aug 04, 2006, 12:31:52 AM »
Hmm, no problem with pegs getting out of round on my main fiddle then.

I was changing tunings 3-5 times a day or more at Swannanoa last week :).

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Re: Review: Perfection Planetary Pegs
« Reply #36 on: Aug 07, 2006, 05:39:22 PM »
Just re-stocked Wittner ultra 4-tuner tailpieces... brand new out of the box, one weighs four nickels, three paper clips. The nylon adjuster with its little brass barrels add another three paper clips, or about a gram. (Tailpiece alone weighs about 21 g.)

Feel free not to answer, Steve, (OT after all) but in general do you like to raise or lower the TP's tap tone?
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Re: Review: Perfection Planetary Pegs
« Reply #37 on: Aug 07, 2006, 08:24:14 PM »
Depends on the relationship to other things, not an absolute.

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Re: Review: Perfection Planetary Pegs
« Reply #38 on: Aug 07, 2006, 09:05:13 PM »
What about the composite Wittner tailpiece with ingrated tuners?
I'm grateful for ANY tuners, integrated or otherwise... :)
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Re: Review: Perfection Planetary Pegs
« Reply #39 on: Aug 16, 2006, 04:32:14 PM »
If we're still talking about planetary pegs, I highly recommend them. It's a no brainer. Note, they need to be installed by a luthier, so that adds to the cost, of course.

 




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