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Re: Fiddle Fretter first impressions
« Reply #25 on: Jul 20, 2005, 06:08:58 PM »
Bingo! We have a winner ;D

But I thought Vipers had frets ???

Give me a week or two to wring it out with the two victims test subjects I mentioned, and I'll post it along. (By the way, sometimes it takes a while to get post from Canada to here in the good ol US of A, especially if there's more than just paper in it. My Mom left a rather nice ring on the sink in a cottage in PEI, and though the proprietor found it right away, it took for flippin ever to get the paperwork squared away to ship the thing back to her. :P)
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Re: Fiddle Fretter first impressions
« Reply #26 on: Jul 20, 2005, 06:31:16 PM »
Bingo! We have a winner ;D 

YIPEE!!!   ;D  ;D  ;D

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But I thought Vipers had frets ???
  Not all. Mine is fretless. I think other Viper owner's, or those considering a Viper would be very interested in this fret board. So I was hoping the maker would have gotten me one in time to take to Mark O'Connor String Conference, as many Viper's will be there. Too bad for maker ... FedEx is fast, even over the border.

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Give me a week or two to wring it out with the two victims test subjects I mentioned, and I'll post it along. (By the way, sometimes it takes a while to get post from Canada to here in the good ol US of A, especially if there's more than just paper in it. My Mom left a rather nice ring on the sink in a cottage in PEI, and though the proprietor found it right away, it took for flippin ever to get the paperwork squared away to ship the thing back to her. :P)
  Huh, you'd think if no money was swapping hands it would just go thru the mail? I'd be glad to handle shipping charges. Just let me know.

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Re: Fiddle Fretter first impressions
« Reply #27 on: Jul 20, 2005, 06:54:23 PM »
The gadget took 6 days to get from Nova Scotia to Massachusetts by regular post. Not too bad..

Since I've had the use of it for free, the least I can do is pay the ongoing post, no worries. Just PM me your mailing address, and enjoy!
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Re: Fiddle Fretter first impressions
« Reply #28 on: Jul 20, 2005, 07:56:54 PM »
I'd be interested to know how easy it would be (or not!) to incorporate MIDI triggers into it so that depressing the string onto the fret triggered the appropriate MIDI note. Now that would be cool!

I think it would be possible to do. use string and fret data to determine midi note, pitch from measured signal compared to reference to get pitch bend should be feasable. This would not work for harmonics and other interesting bow effects but would be likely to be faster than actual pitch to midi conversion.. Pitch bend is needed to get vibrato.
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Re: Fiddle Fretter first impressions
« Reply #29 on: Jul 20, 2005, 09:34:54 PM »
I'd be interested to know how easy it would be (or not!) to incorporate MIDI triggers into it so that depressing the string onto the fret triggered the appropriate MIDI note. Now that would be cool!

MIDI doesn't come close enough to capturing the subtleties of fine violin playing. I can see your interest if you don't play keyboard, but otherwise keyboard is probably most easy for MIDI recording.

I tried a Roland MIDI setup with guitar some years ago. It didn't capture abilities of guitar. A delay existed from time your played a note until you heard it. It was wacky. I returned it.

Anyway the fret would need to know which string your hitting. Might be a fun toy for a bit, but I bet you'd get tired of it fast.

I'm gonna try the fret board on my e-fiddle.


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Re: Fiddle Fretter first impressions
« Reply #30 on: Jul 20, 2005, 10:38:17 PM »
MIDI doesn't come close enough to capturing the subtleties of fine violin playing. I can see your interest if you don't play keyboard, but otherwise keyboard is probably most easy for MIDI recording.

True, but have a listen to some "Synful Orchestra" demos. It's a VSTi plugin for midi sequencers.. fooled quite a few people on this forum..
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Re: Fiddle Fretter first impressions
« Reply #31 on: Jul 20, 2005, 11:46:55 PM »
True, but have a listen to some "Synful Orchestra" demos. It's a VSTi plugin for midi sequencers.. fooled quite a few people on this forum..
Would'nt surprise me at all. I've heard some incredible MIDI. Buddy of mine does TV, all MIDI, except vocals, guitar and some occasional live instruments. Very fine stuff he does.

What I was getting at was the poor response of MIDI guitar I had experience with. Never tried a MIDI violin. I'd expect it to be worse in response to a MIDI guitar, but wonders never cease.

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Re: Fiddle Fretter first impressions
« Reply #32 on: Jul 21, 2005, 12:14:58 AM »
Yeah my exp with midi and violins has not been good either.
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Re: Fiddle Fretter first impressions
« Reply #33 on: Apr 15, 2006, 01:52:45 AM »
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Re: Fiddle Fretter first impressions
« Reply #34 on: Apr 16, 2006, 09:30:19 PM »
That's nice to see. I see on his web site that he now puts gold dots at the 5th, 7th and 12th frets, or 4th, 3rd and 2nd harmonics. I thought it was a dandy gadget, and still do. Not for everyone, but a dandy gadget just the same.
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Re: Fiddle Fretter first impressions
« Reply #35 on: Apr 16, 2006, 10:18:59 PM »
I wonder if he makes them for five string fingerboards... I'm planning a coming project which will be a five string.

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Re: Fiddle Fretter first impressions
« Reply #36 on: Apr 16, 2006, 10:35:38 PM »
In the original review Beeswing says, "there is some overhang... I might suggest making it slightly narrower, since there is no need to carry the frets right to the edge of a wide fingerboard". So if your 5 string fingerboard is not too much wider than a 4 string, the Fiddle Fretter may well fit.

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Re: Fiddle Fretter first impressions
« Reply #37 on: Apr 16, 2006, 10:50:41 PM »
Not sure what he's done about the width in the mean time. Two options were mentioned, I recall-- making the fretter narrower, or having the user trim it with a craft knife, if need be. It'd be worth asking the gentleman himself...

Top end 25 mm, four strings span 16 or 17mm at the nut... you do the sums, bearing in mind he may be making it 24mm nowadays. That makes five strings span 20 to 22 mm, I think, but I can't tell for sure at the moment, being in a fiddle-free zone.
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Re: Fiddle Fretter first impressions
« Reply #38 on: Apr 17, 2006, 08:02:42 AM »
This is an intriguing product for the possibilities of chording, from what beeswing has posted, esp for those of us who haven't gotten the fiddle (vs. violin) thing trained into them yet.

It'd be especially appropriate for the backup fiddle or just for fun.

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Re: Fiddle Fretter first impressions
« Reply #39 on: Apr 17, 2006, 11:55:10 AM »
I'm sorting out with Peter getting one over to bring to Fiddle Hell for anyone who'se interested.
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