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Title: Our own tunes
Post by: Steve_W on Jan 09, 2004, 03:45:54 PM
TheBlackDeath (Andy) started a thread yesterday, now apparently lost and gone forever, where he posted abc code for a tune he wrote and encouraged others to do so as well.  I had a reply ready to post when the Forum went down so I thought I'd start a replacement thread.  Andy, I hope you'll post that tune you wrote again; I liked it!  However, remember to add X:1 as the first line of the code otherwise the Concertina.net Tune-O-Tron (http://www.concertina.net/tunes_convert.html (http://www.concertina.net/tunes_convert.html)) won't recognize it.

Anyway, here's a little strathspey I wrote last year for a friend.  She's a member of the Scottish Rattray clan and we were able to unearth 2 tunes, a reel and a jig, both from around 1800, associated with Rattrays (Miss Rattray (reel) and Miss Rattray of Dallrulzian (jig)).  She asked me to help her find a compatible strathspey because she wanted to write a dance medley to perform at a clan reunion next year in Scotland, and instead I surprised her with this one:

X:11
T:Julia Rattray Carapanos
C:Steve Wyrick 8-19-03
S:Unpublished
N:This abc transcription is for personal use only,
N:and may be copied or retransmitted provided this notice remains attached.
N:All rights reserved, Steve Wyrick sjwyrick"at"astound"dot"net
L:1/8
Q:200
M:C
K:A
e2||"A"A2c>B A>c B<A|"D"F<A "A"E>C "E"B,<A, B,<C|"D"D>E F>G "A"A<E FA|c<e c>A "E"B>A G>e|!
"A"A2c>B A>c B<A|"D"F<A "A"E>C "E"B,>C "A"A,C|"D"D>E F>G "A"A<E FA|c<e c>A "E"B>A G>e|!
|"A"c<e [e2A2] "E"G<E "A"[A2E2]|"D"D/E/F/G/ A>c B<A F2|F<A "A"E>C "E"B,<A,B,<C|"D"D>E F>G "A"A<c "E"B2|!
|"A"c<e [e2A2] "E"G<E "A"[A2E2]|"D"D/E/F/G/ A>c B<A F2|F<A "A"E>C "E"B,>C"A"A,C|"D"D>E F>G "A"AA, A,2||!

(For anyone unfamiliar with abc who missed our earlier threads, copy and paste the above code into the window of the Tune-o-Tron converter at the URL given above, and it will convert this to sheet music, or play it for you in midi.  But I'll warn you, this tune doesn't sound like much in the midi file!)

Now, somebody else post one! -Steve
Title: Re:Our own tunes
Post by: Mark Cordova on Jan 09, 2004, 04:17:18 PM
Great tune Steve. I really like it.
 :happy: :happy: :happy: :happy: :happy: :happy: :happy:
Title: Re:Our own tunes
Post by: Jack002 on Jan 09, 2004, 08:51:49 PM
Nice Steve! I have it saved pending any further disaters! ;)
Title: Re:Our own tunes
Post by: Andy Reiner on Jan 10, 2004, 02:02:55 AM
hah yeah i was dismayed when I checked the site at school and my fiddle camp thread AND this one got deleted...couldn't figure out what happened hah

So here's the tune that I posted -

T:Lemon of Reality
M:4/4
L:1/8
C:Andrew Reiner
K:G
"Em"~E3 (d ^"A"c2) cB | ^cdc(A "Em"B2) B2 | ~E3 d- "A"^c2 AB | "Am"cBce
"Bm" [B2f2] [B2f2] | !
"Em"~E3 d- "A"^c2 cB | ^cdcA- "Em"B2 AB | "Am"cBA(d cB)gf | "Bm"e(dBd) "
Em"[B2e2] [B2e2] :| !
"Em"gfe(b ge)gf | e(bge) ge (B2 | "Am" A)Bce- a2 AB | c(e -a2) ABce | !
"Em"gfe(b ge)gf | e(bge) geAB | "Am"cBA(d cB)gf | "Bm"e(dBd) "Em" [B2e2]
 [B2e2] :| !
Title: Re:Our own tunes
Post by: Floyd on Jan 10, 2004, 02:07:38 AM
Nice job steve and so you don't feel all alone here is one of mine. I wrote this tune long before I started the original "Lets write a fiddle tune" and It felt like it wrote itself.  I always wondered what would happen If I gave the first bar to someone else - would it write itself again and turn out the same way and that's why I started the post. Turned out that the first bar is the only thing the same. We play this tune alot at my regular Thursday night fiddle get-togethers at my house and have played it out in public a couple of times. Nobody every gags or throws tomatoes so I guess I could post it here. I played the MIDI file last night for my friends (of the tune you guys wrote) and they loved it. I was going to print it out so we could play it last night but then my printer crashed so it will have to wait untill next week.

X:1
T:Leonard McDonald's Reel
R:Reel
S:By Floyd McDonald
M:4/4
L:1/8
Q:1/2=120
K:Em
|:gfeg fB B/2B/2B|cBAc BEGB|EGBG cBAc|1 BAGB ADFA:|2 BAFA G2 G2|
GEBE cEBE|AGAB gBfB|GEBE cEBE|BAGB ADFA|
GEBE cEBE|AGAB gBfB|edef gfed |1 BAGB ADFA:|2 edef g2 g2|

Title: Re:Our own tunes
Post by: alwyswinn on Jan 10, 2004, 05:37:15 AM
lets say you had a song that wrote and would like to post it but it is written in standard notation would there be a program online that could convert standard notation into this format cause that would be a lot easier than rewriting it in this form any ideas folks
Title: Re:Our own tunes
Post by: Steve_W on Jan 10, 2004, 07:15:47 AM
lets say you had a song that wrote and would like to post it but it is written in standard notation would there be a program online that could convert standard notation into this format cause that would be a lot easier than rewriting it in this form any ideas folks


I don't know of anything; you'd need to get it into a machine-readable form of some sort.   If it's any consolation, abc is easy to learn if you already read music, and writing it is pretty fast too.  I use a program called BarFly, which is Mac shareware, to write my code; I like it because it operates in split-screen mode, where you can see the tune in standard notation as you type it in abc.  Now that I know what I'm doing, it only takes me a few minutes to type in a tune. -Steve  
Title: Re:Our own tunes
Post by: alwyswinn on Jan 10, 2004, 07:17:59 AM
will that run on windows
Title: Re:Our own tunes
Post by: Steve_W on Jan 10, 2004, 08:18:09 AM
will that run on windows


There's no native PC version.  I asked that question of the author, because I was contemplating switching over to a WinXP machine at home and his reponse was "One or two BarFly users I know are running it on a PC using a Mac emulator.  The most popular emulator for this purpose seems to be BasiliskII (which is free)." But I never pursued this and don't know how well it works.  I'm not familiar with any of the Windows abc programs so don't know if there's any program that has equivalent features.  You might want to check out the abc homepage http://www.gre.ac.uk/~c.walshaw/abc/ (http://www.gre.ac.uk/~c.walshaw/abc/) and look at the links for software.  Good luck -Steve
Title: Re:Our own tunes
Post by: High Strung on Jan 10, 2004, 03:13:18 PM
Aargh...I have over two hundred of my tunes that need to be translated. Thanks for reminding me!!
Title: Re:Our own tunes
Post by: Steve_W on Jan 10, 2004, 08:15:01 PM
Hey Floyd, I like your reel, particularly the B part!  Do you normally play it AABAAB (i.e., 8 bars of A then 8 bars of B) with the B part's 2nd ending used for the 32nd bar, or some other way?  It's interesting; you seem to have had the same experience I often have regarding tunes almost writing themselves; I often think up the first measure and the rest flows from that.  Sometimes I don't like what comes out but it's really difficult to change it after it's written down!  That's one thing I like about the "Let's write a tune" threads; it challenges me to think differently, and it's fun to see the different musical ideas that everyone has.  Thanks for coming up with the idea.

By the way, in case anybody's interested I posted a thread in the "Links" forum [ed.: it's now a sticky thread at the top of this forum -SW] called 'abc resources' (I think) that has links to my favorite abc web pages:  abc language reference, tutorials, tune indices, software and so on.  Thought it would be a good time to do so what with the current interest in abc. -Steve
Title: Re:Our own tunes
Post by: Floyd on Jan 10, 2004, 08:41:20 PM
Thanks Steve. And great post in the links section. Especially the one to the Cape Breton stuff. I'm already working on "The Gravel Walk" than I downloaded from there. I've heard this tune played around here millions of times but I never knew the name of it.  And as for the "Lets write a fiddle tune threads" I agree. Even though I only posted 1 bar so far (The first one) I did play around with all the tunes that were posted and usually by the time I had something to post the tune had already been completed but it did get my creative juices flowing. Well maybe next time.
Title: Re:Our own tunes
Post by: Floyd on Jan 13, 2004, 06:46:23 PM
Sorry Steve. I was just re-reading this thread and I noticed I didn't even answer your question. We always play it AABBAABB Just as it is written in the abc format above.

- High Strung, When are we gona get one of your tunes?
Title: Re:Our own tunes
Post by: Steve_W on Jan 14, 2004, 05:31:10 AM
OK, Mark asked for this so I'm posting this tune as an example of how _not_ to write a strathspey!  It was the first one I wrote and looking at it now, I see it has too many different musical ideas and no cohesiveness!  I think there's the makings of 3 or 4 decent tunes in here somewhere though! -Steve

X:2
T:The Betrayal
C:Steve Wyrick 5/19/01
S:Unpublished
Z:This abc transcription is for personal use only,
Z:and may be copied or retransmitted provided this notice remains attached.
Z:All rights reserved, Steve Wyrick <sjwyrick"at"astound"dot"net>
L:1/8
Q:220
M:C
K:Amin
E<A E2 D>C B,<G,|A,>B, CA c>B AB|c/B/A A/B/c B2G<E|A>B c>d e<B A>B|!
c>d cG B>c B^G|AB c/B/A B<e E2|F>G A<d e>d cA|E<A F>D B,<G, A,>G||!
c3Gc3G|c>G cdc3G|c>d ed c2 cB|A<d f>e d3^c|!
dA F>G AF D>E|F<A E<A D4|E<A F<D E<C A,>B,|CE c>B A4||!
Title: Re:Our own tunes
Post by: simon on Jan 14, 2004, 11:56:38 AM
"Two string wonders" came up in another thread, and I thought I'd try writing one last night. I failed. :) It's really hard to make the B part interesting, so I gave up and turned it into, um, a three string wonder.

X: 1
T:The New Year's Fling
M:4/4
L:1/8
C:Simon Bacon 13 Jan 04
R:Reel
K:AMix
eA A/A/A edBd | edgd fdgd | eA A/A/A eAgA | edBA GABd |
eA A/A/A aAgA | edBc dBcd | efed BAGA | [1BdAF DFAd | [2BdAF DFAF:|:
EAcA BAGA | EAcA EAdA | EAcA BAcd | edBA GABG |
EAcA EAdA | EAcA BAcd | efed BAGA | [1BdAF DFAF :| [2BdAF DFAd ||

% Output from ABC2Win  Version 2.1 i on 14/01/2004
Title: Re:Our own tunes
Post by: Mark Cordova on Jan 14, 2004, 05:40:55 PM
OK, Mark asked for this so I'm posting this tune as an example of how _not_ to write a strathspey!  It was the first one I wrote and looking at it now, I see it has too many different musical ideas and no cohesiveness!  I think there's the makings of 3 or 4 decent tunes in here somewhere though! -Steve

X:2
T:The Betrayal
C:Steve Wyrick 5/19/01
S:Unpublished
Z:This abc transcription is for personal use only,
Z:and may be copied or retransmitted provided this notice remains attached.
Z:All rights reserved, Steve Wyrick <sjwyrick"at"astound"dot"net>
L:1/8
Q:220
M:C
K:Amin
E<A E2 D>C B,<G,|A,>B, CA c>B AB|c/B/A A/B/c B2G<E|A>B c>d e<B A>B|!
c>d cG B>c B^G|AB c/B/A B<e E2|F>G A<d e>d cA|E<A F>D B,<G, A,>G||!
c3Gc3G|c>G cdc3G|c>d ed c2 cB|A<d f>e d3^c|!
dA F>G AF D>E|F<A E<A D4|E<A F<D E<C A,>B,|CE c>B A4||!


I agree Steve, 3 or 4 great tunes. There is no denying that it's good music. Why not revisit?
Title: Re:Our own tunes
Post by: Mark Cordova on Jan 14, 2004, 05:50:47 PM
Simon,

What a great tune! It rocks. I made a minor correction to the repeat signs and put an absolutely ridiculous tempo on it.  ;D I'd like your permission to perform it. Please.

X: 1
T:The New Year's Fling
M:4/8
L:1/8
Q:1/2=120
C:Simon Bacon 13 Jan 04
R:Reel
K:AMix
eA A/A/A edBd | edgd fdgd | eA A/A/A eAgA | edBA GABd |
eA A/A/A aAgA | edBc dBcd | efed BAGA | [1BdAF DFAd :| [2BdAF DFAF |
|:EAcA BAGA | EAcA EAdA | EAcA BAcd | edBA GABG |
EAcA EAdA | EAcA BAcd | efed BAGA | [1BdAF DFAF :| [2BdAF DFAd ||
Title: Re:Our own tunes
Post by: Steve_W on Jan 14, 2004, 06:57:12 PM
I agree Steve, 3 or 4 great tunes. There is no denying that it's good music. Why not revisit?

Thanks Mark.  I think I already said this in another post but I have a lot of trouble revising a tune once it's down on the page.  They come to me pretty much all at once, and it's very difficult for me to imagine them differently once I have the whole thing in my head (which is why I like the "let's write a tune" threads; they force me to stretch my imagination).  Also, without explaining the title I'll say that this tune does a nice job of reflecting the mixed-up emotions that I was feeling at the time I wrote it, so I'm sort of fond of it in spite of its problems.  But I think you're right; looking at this one I do think there are some decent bits so I think I'll plan on chopping it up into its different motifs and recycling them. -Steve
Title: Re:Our own tunes
Post by: Floyd on Jan 14, 2004, 08:16:32 PM
Love the New Year's Fling. Sounds Cape Bretonish.  I agree that a faster tempo works better but I think you went a bit too far with it Mark. Keep them coming.
Title: Re:Our own tunes
Post by: Jack002 on Jan 14, 2004, 08:17:28 PM
Man, Mark thats a KILLER tempo!  :o :o :o Can you play it at that speed? ;)
Title: Re:Our own tunes
Post by: Mark Cordova on Jan 14, 2004, 08:30:01 PM
I feel a challenge coming on - but I won't play it any faster than Simon tells me to. ;)
Title: Re:Our own tunes
Post by: Steve_W on Jan 14, 2004, 09:41:12 PM
"Two string wonders" came up in another thread, and I thought I'd try writing one last night. I failed. :) It's really hard to make the B part interesting, so I gave up and turned it into, um, a three string wonder.

Wow, great tune!  I wish I could come up with tunes like this one!  I'm looking forward to learning it.  Mark, I think your tempo of 120 is a touch optimistic, at least for me!  I'm thinking I'll aim somewhere around 108-112 (good dance tempo). -Steve
Title: Re:Our own tunes
Post by: Mark Cordova on Jan 14, 2004, 10:38:42 PM
I'd say it's pretty optimistic for me too.  :silly1: Still, at that tempo I love the way the string crossings ring out.
Title: Re:Our own tunes
Post by: simon on Jan 15, 2004, 10:16:37 AM
Thanks for the correction Mark - I should really have listened to the MIDI to check it over before posting. The time sig should be 4/4 though, not 4/8 as you have it. The version below should be the final one I think.

I'm glad people seem to like it anyway. Whenever I share a new tune, I'm always waiting for someone to tell me where they've heard it before. ;) Feel free to perform it of course Mark, or anyone else. Tell me what the crowd thinks of it. :)

120 bpm seems like a reasonable tempo to me. If anything, I'd be inclined to take it a little faster. That's the advantage of making your own tunes, you can tailor them to your own playing style.

Just in case there's any confusion, the tune is a reel, not a fling. The title refers to a different kind of fling altogether. ;)

X: 1
T:The New Year's Fling
M:4/4
L:1/8
Q:1/2=120
C:Simon Bacon 13 Jan 04
R:Reel
K:AMix
eA A/A/A edBd | edgd fdgd | eA A/A/A eAgA | edBA GABd |
eA A/A/A aAgA | edBc dBcd | efed BAGA | [1BdAF DFAd :| [2BdAF DFAF |
|:EAcA BAGA | EAcA EAdA | EAcA BAcd | edBA GABG |
EAcA EAdA | EAcA BAcd | efed BAGA | [1BdAF DFAF :| [2BdAF DFAd ||


Title: Re:Our own tunes
Post by: Mark Cordova on Jan 15, 2004, 03:47:21 PM
I was playing the New Year's Fling last night. Great piece although my brain was interfering with me on two parts. | edBA GABG | and | efed BAGA |. If I wasn't paying close attention I would mix the two. Until those parts are firmly lodged in my head and fingers, I'll stick with a tempo of 100 per half.

I was not playing this measure as written; |:EAcA BAGA |.  I kept playing the G as a sharp. That might be fine depending on what chord Simon envisions for the BAGA phrase.

As for speed, most of the tune just rolls off the fingers. To be sure, I have to play it slower to fix my own rocky spots.

I'm enjoying it immensly. Thanks Simon.



Title: Re:Our own tunes
Post by: simon on Jan 15, 2004, 04:02:01 PM
I don't think in terms of chords - that's the guitarist's problem. ;) I set the tune in A mixolydian because it just came out with G naturals as I was making it. I've no objections to G sharps though, in fact I'd probably throw in a few on the fly to spice things up (as long as I'm playing unaccompanied).

My brain interferes with me on bars 1, 2 and 5 of the second part. They're pretty much interchangeable and the decision to write them the way I did was more or less arbitrary. As with any tune, the dots are just there as a rough guide.
Title: Re:Our own tunes
Post by: simon on Jan 16, 2004, 10:49:56 AM
I've put a clip of the New Year's Fling in the Yahoo groups shared files. I was playing it faster when I wrote it, but I find I have to subtract at least 10 bpm when there's a mic in front of me.   :mad:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fiddle_and_Alternative_Strings/files/simon/
Title: Re:Our own tunes
Post by: Mark Cordova on Jan 16, 2004, 05:15:31 PM
Simon - I typed a long winded congratulatory post about your tune and your playing. I have no energy left so I'll just say, Brilliant!
Title: Re:Our own tunes
Post by: simon on Jan 19, 2004, 10:52:48 AM
Thanks. :)
Title: Re:Our own tunes
Post by: Mark Cordova on Jan 21, 2004, 05:39:21 PM
Here's that first I wrote AND actually got put on a CD. Speaking of firsts, This is the first time I ever put it in notes.

X: 1
T:Patch's Jig
M:6/8
L:1/8
C:Mark Cordova
A: This tune is actually copyrighted. If like, ask me.
R:Jig
Q:1/4=180
K:Dm
|:"Dm"ADD BDD|"Dm"ADD dcB|"Dm"ADD BDD|"Dm"ded "Am"cBA|!
"Dm"ABA ~B3|"Dm"ABA "Am"dcA|"Gm"[G,G]Bd "Am"cBA|"Gm"[G,G]AG "Dm"FED:|
|:"Dm"fdA FAd|feg {fg}fed|"A"e^cA EAc |
"A"efe g{fg}fe|"Dm"fdA FAd|feg fed|
|1"A"e^cA EAc|efe "Dm"d2 e:|2 "A"eaa {ga}gfe|^cec "Dm"[F3d3]||!


Title: Re: Our own tunes
Post by: Mark Cordova on Sep 24, 2004, 09:39:59 PM
I attached the midis for all the complete tunes.
Title: Re: Our own tunes
Post by: Mark Cordova on Sep 24, 2004, 09:42:13 PM
One more.
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